Starmer’s chronicles

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cger45p0lv0o

What's that got to do with Starmer's government passing laws that inhibit freedom of thought and speech? Usual obfuscation from you.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's that got to do with Starmer's government passing laws that inhibit freedom of thought and speech? Usual obfuscation from you.

Most of them were passed by the Tories weren't they? Which ones were Labour? (Obviously Labour are bad for not removing them, but i wish the Tories were suddenly concerned for privacy and free speech were as concerned when they were in office).

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's that got to do with Starmer's government passing laws that inhibit freedom of thought and speech? Usual obfuscation from you.

You said

free speech in the UK is under serious threat.

I gave you another example of that…

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You said



I gave you another example of that…

Well, no it isn’t and no you didn’t.

Not wishing to speak to one individual or organisation is not imposing on anyone’s right to free speech.

It’s like blocking someone on Twitter, not wanting to listen to them does not stop them saying it.

The state broadcaster, or any publication, does not have any “right” that they “must” be spoken to…………that in and of itself is a pretty authoritarian stance to take if you think that.

[nomadking]

The Sun newspaper banned from Labour Party conference
MP calls for Labour leader to explain Sun article to Hillsborough families

During his campaign to become Labour leader in 2020, Sir Keir told party members at a hustings in Liverpool that he would not speak to the paper during his campaign.

And the difference is...........?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The Sun newspaper banned from Labour Party conference
MP calls for Labour leader to explain Sun article to Hillsborough families
And the difference is...........?

Four years, Bob.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Most of them were passed by the Tories weren't they? Which ones were Labour? (Obviously Labour are bad for not removing them, but i wish the Tories were suddenly concerned for privacy and free speech were as concerned when they were in office).

I'd like to know this too! Did we miss something when our backs were turned?

I don't think Starmer's government was that focused on UK matters, due to the distractions of Trump's tariffs and Ukraine. But that changed after the post-Southport riots.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Four years, Bob.

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I'd like to know this too! Did we miss something when our backs were turned?

I don't think Starmer's government was that focused on UK matters, due to the distractions of Trump's tariffs and Ukraine. But that changed after the post-Southport riots.

Irrelevant. The lack of principle still stands.
Last year

Kim Johnson said city, much of which still boycotts paper over false Hillsborough reporting, would be disappointed in Labour

This month

A Liverpool FC fan group has contacted the prime minister over plans for a broadcaster to appear at the Labour Party’s conference.

Last month

The Mayor of the Liverpool city region has attacked Sir Keir Starmer for appointing the former editor of The Sun to one of the most senior communications jobs in the Government..

Originally Posted by Hugh

Mick Barton has banned the Nottingham Post and its online arm Nottinghamshire Live over what the BBC understands was a disagreement about a story it ran on local government reorganisation.

What a complete moron.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Fortunately, our judiciary is not run in the political way that some countries' set-ups are. It's a Starmer-free zone.

Link

A judge who ruled migrants can stay in an Essex hotel was the chairman of a prominent socialist think tank.
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The society works very closely with Labour, is an affiliated party organisation and its membership is predominantly made up of Labour members. Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary, also previously served as chair of its commission.
Lord Justice Bean, 71, was also reportedly a member of the Labour Party for at least 28 years before he became a judge.
He served as a treasurer for the Society of Labour Lawyers, which describes itself as a “think tank and affiliated socialist society which provides legal and policy advice to the Labour Party”.

Nothing political about that?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

LinkNothing political about that?

I think you'll find that Seph and many others agree the judge's decision was legally correct. By law, the government has to house them.
And being chair of a think tank over 35 years ago does not indicate your current political leanings nor is it comparable to being appointed by the President.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Irrelevant. The lack of principle still stands.
Last year

This month

Last month

Pure whataboutery. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's worse in Nottingham for if the local press don't get access to council information, no one else is going to show much interest. Whereas there will be plenty of other media scrutiny at the Labour Party Conference.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think you'll find that Seph and many others agree the judge's decision was legally correct. By law, the government has to house them. <snipped>

Can we not just give them tents in a field . . . or a shoreline?

[Sephiroth]

In the few days that nobody has posted, lots has happened.

Starmer appears to have sidelined Reeves. That won't stop a shit budget from happening but it also means that the anger over the next budget will arrow straight into Starmer.

The Home Secretary is at it again; suitably appalled at the migrants' goings on - announcing this and that all nibbling at the edges. But miserably failing to deal with the pull factor.

Rayner has been busy doing middle class stuff (I'm fine with that) but she is an utter hypocrite. Surely Starmer sees that and it must embarrass him politically. Oh - but wait a moment, Starmer is higher than middle class and might not even see what is politically wrong with setting herself up for selection in a non-Reform UK risk seat. The press will be merciless on this for some time to come.

But we are stuck in this doom loop with no way out.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think you'll find that Seph and many others agree the judge's decision was legally correct. By law, the government has to house them.
And being chair of a think tank over 35 years ago does not indicate your current political leanings nor is it comparable to being appointed by the President.

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Pure whataboutery. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's worse in Nottingham for if the local press don't get access to council information, no one else is going to show much interest. Whereas there will be plenty of other media scrutiny at the Labour Party Conference.

It's called pure hypocrisy.



Press releases are going to happen, but not sent to those publications. Press releases are available to the general public, so they're available anyway.
Nottingham Council press releases.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Press releases are going to happen, but not sent to those publications. Press releases are available to the general public, so they're available anyway.
Nottingham Council press releases.

If you're banning people speaking to the press, that's an attack on free speech.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If you're banning people speaking to the press, that's an attack on free speech.

Only selected press. Other media outlets are available. The press releases are available to all.
Link

The Reform UK leader of Nottinghamshire County Council has denied that his party's councillors were barred from speaking to a local newspaper's reporters.
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But after a council meeting on Tuesday, Barton has since told the BBC the ban only applied to press releases and him personally.
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