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[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Presumably, Nigel or one of Reform's luminaries told you that!

Right now, it's immigration that taxes the fickle British opinion. But, as the Labour years wear on, Reform needs to provide assurance well ahead of the next GE so that they remain at the head of the polls. And it is the economy that matters really. So it should be possible for Reform UK to maintain these twin threads and they need to keep it credible.

Reform is anti-growth and wants to increase red tape with our largest market. They want to throw Ukraine under the bus. And their policies on the NHS which they once wanted to privatise are somewhat vague! No wonder they want to talk about immigration!

(But where they stand on the big issue of the day - getting rid of linear TV channels - remains a big unknown! )

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No wonder they want to talk about immigration!

British people like fairness, and more importantly don’t like people taking the piss.

The economic migrants (some aren’t even that they’re basically tourists), let’s call them what they are. They’re not refugees.

They’re jumping the queue against people trying enter the right way.

Being housed, fed, paid, culturally at odds with the U.K. costing us billions, when our economy is in the toilet, heating costs up, cost of living going up, and Labour doing absolutely sweet FA about it.

Reform are tapping into all of it.

I voted Reform at the last election and I’ll be voting for them at the next, for the very simple reason that they are not Tory, Labour or LibDem…..that’s all the reason I need.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Reform is anti-growth and wants to increase red tape with our largest market. They want to throw Ukraine under the bus. And their policies on the NHS which they once wanted to privatise are somewhat vague! No wonder they want to talk about immigration!

(But where they stand on the big issue of the day - getting rid of linear TV channels - remains a big unknown! )

Reform is anti-growth and wants to increase red tape with our largest market.

You presumably mean Reform/Farage's stance on Brexit. He needs to be careful here and base all his decisions around growth. But this is a difficult one. Let's say that Starmer's arrangements with the EU work out well in economic terms by GE time; then Farage needs to have answer to the ensuant awkward questions.

They want to throw Ukraine under the bus.

Another really difficult one. Europe (and Starmer) is all mouth; constantly appalled at Russia but doing nothing decisive about Russia's aggression. It means that Russia will win in the long run by means of attrition. Nor can Trump be relied upon to take decisive action. If that's the case, Ukraine is lost and the proverbial bus is arriving. Can you see a doable different solution?

And their policies on the NHS which they once wanted to privatise are somewhat vague!

Better to be vague at this stage than saying stupid things. On present heading of the economy, it's the unsayable that looms for the NHS. The only thing they can say is that the extra 6 figure number of asylum seekers is an unsustainable burden which leads to:

No wonder they want to talk about immigration!

Indeed.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

British people like fairness, and more importantly don’t like people taking the piss.

The economic migrants (some aren’t even that they’re basically tourists), let’s call them what they are. They’re not refugees.

They’re jumping the queue against people trying enter the right way.

Being housed, fed, paid, culturally at odds with the U.K. costing us billions, when our economy is in the toilet, heating costs up, cost of living going up, and Labour doing absolutely sweet FA about it.

Reform are tapping into all of it.

I voted Reform at the last election and I’ll be voting for them at the next, for the very simple reason that they are not Tory, Labour or LibDem…..that’s all the reason I need.

Some are asylum-seekers, some are economic migrants. It's probably not great being a Christian or gay in Afghanistan and Iran, for example.

These people are not here for benefits, the government won't allow them to work until their claims have been processed and that's been underfunded so is taking too long. Fortunately, that's being improved so wrong to say nothing's being done about it.

Obviously, once immigrants are working they will more than pay for themselves and will probably be very motivated. Many great companies were founded by immigrants generating considerable wealth for this country. Recent examples are easyJet, Babylon Health and Revolut.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Some are asylum-seekers, some are economic migrants. It's probably not great being a Christian or gay in Afghanistan and Iran, for example.

These people are not here for benefits, the government won't allow them to work until their claims have been processed and that's been underfunded so is taking too long. Fortunately, that's being improved so wrong to say nothing's being done about it.

Obviously, once immigrants are working they will more than pay for themselves and will probably be very motivated. Many great companies were founded by immigrants generating considerable wealth for this country. Recent examples are easyJet, Babylon Health and Revolut.

Of course they're here for benefits - see the hotels and healthcare for details. They don't get treated so well in France - hence the boats. You do see that: right?

As for your ridiculous assertions of the eventual benefits that these migrants would bring to the UK: If they had the intellectual prowess of Ali Parsa (Babylon Health), then yes. But these are not of that ilk and would be of little or no benefit, including the massive cultural differences. You do see that: right?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Of course they're here for benefits - see the hotels and healthcare for details. They don't get treated so well in France - hence the boats. You do see that: right?

They're on benefits because they're not allowed to work. They're not crossing the world and risking their lives for a HMO in a run-down seaside town! The sooner they get processed, the sooner we can empty the hotels and the sooner they start paying taxes.

They come to the UK largely because they can speak English and have connections here. It's a side-product of our colonial past.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As for your ridiculous assertions of the eventual benefits that these migrants would bring to the UK: If they had the intellectual prowess of Ali Parsa (Babylon Health), then yes. But these are not of that ilk and would be of little or no benefit, including the massive cultural differences. You do see that: right?

Once they're working there's immediate benefit as they're paying taxes. If you've travelled half-way across the world and don't have your parents to fall back on and an inheritance to look forward to, you generally work harder than someone who does.