Reform UK's chronicles

[1andrew1]

Little point in discussing Reform's immigration plans as they will have changed by the time you've finished posting!

[Sephiroth]

I had hoped that Farage would have been smarter. It's a bad show to announce a policy and then have to row back on a part of that policy. I'm quite a hawk on the small boats subject, but women and children are not men of military age.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I had hoped that Farage would have been smarter. It's a bad show to announce a policy and then have to row back on a part of that policy. I'm quite a hawk on the small boats subject, but women and children are not men of military age.

i would put the children into care and deport the parents as imo anyone who puts a child on one of those boats is unfit to have them, they are perfectly safe in France and there is no need to endanger children in this way

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i would put the children into care and deport the parents as imo anyone who puts a child on one of those boats is unfit to have them, they are perfectly safe in France and there is no need to endanger children in this way

You can't just deport them to France anymore without France agreeing.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I had hoped that Farage would have been smarter. It's a bad show to announce a policy and then have to row back on a part of that policy. I'm quite a hawk on the small boats subject, but women and children are not men of military age.

Is today's Reform policy on immigration any different than the Conservative's?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1;36201808[B

]You can't just deport them to France[/B] anymore without France agreeing.

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Is today's Reform policy on immigration any different than the Conservative's?

i didn't say deport them to France i said they are safe in France

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i didn't say deport them to France i said they are safe in France

They're safe in many countries but how is that relevant? Most refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants stay in Europe but don't come to the UK.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You can't just deport them to France anymore without France agreeing.

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Is today's Reform policy on immigration any different than the Conservative's?

Jenrick apart, the Conservatives have been fairly quiet on the immigration topic other than to criticise Labour.

That said, the Conservatives and Reform should somehow support each other to make a formidable alternative to Labour. However, we have another 4 years of Labour and anything can happen in that time - especially if Labour read the runes correctly and do something about the ECHR and the UN refugee convention.

It plays into Labour’s hands that the two parties ‘of the right’ should be at war with each other, even if the Tories deserve the criticism.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Jenrick apart, the Conservatives have been fairly quiet on the immigration topic other than to criticise Labour.

That said, the Conservatives and Reform should somehow support each other to make a formidable alternative to Labour. However, we have another 4 years of Labour and anything can happen in that time - especially if Labour read the runes correctly and do something about the ECHR and the UN refugee convention.

It plays into Labour’s hands that the two parties ‘of the right’ should be at war with each other, even if the Tories deserve the criticism.

Talking about immigration plays into Reform's hands. Labour should be talking about the NHS and policy areas where it polls strongest in. Farage has successfully got the media and nation discussing his agenda where Reform polls strongest on.

[Sephiroth]

When Labour tries to shift their narrative, they are brought straight back to thevFarage agenda.

But Reform should look beyond that and study what needs to be done for the economy, get it endorsed by theIFS etc, and beme fully credible.

[Carth]

Apparently we need immigration to help the economy grow, while businesses are laying off staff or closing.

On the other hand:

If you want your nails painted a pretty colour - 6 establishments per square mile.
Fancy chicken nuggets and fries? - 17 establishments per square mile.
Need that hair cutting? - 8 establishments per square mile.
Getting the car washed - 12 establishments per square mile.
Need advice on home energy efficiency? - you'll usually get an unsolicited phone call 7 times a day

Planning a train journey? - check the 'strikes' timetable
Need a doctors appointment? - set the alarm for 7:30 am and get in the phone queue to grab one of the 7 appointments available
Have a query about a change of disability benefits? - expect being shunted around on the phone all day and still get no answer.
Need a dentist? - good luck on that one.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

When Labour tries to shift their narrative, they are brought straight back to thevFarage agenda.

But Reform should look beyond that and study what needs to be done for the economy, get it endorsed by theIFS etc, and beme fully credible.

They're just clever populists saying what they need to say to get elected. They're not worried about balancing the books or having a strategy for productivity and growth.

Originally Posted by Carth

Fancy chicken nuggets and fries? - 17 establishments per square mile.

I used to get nuggets from Papa Johns every week.
They basically closed all their outlets in Nottinghamshire 2 weeks ago.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Little point in discussing Reform's immigration plans as they will have changed by the time you've finished posting!

Refined, you mean. They have working groups looking to work out ways and means that their policy ideas are presented and enacted. Still 4 years to go. Have we heard much yet about what the other parties are proposing to do after the next election?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They're safe in many countries but how is that relevant? Most refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants stay in Europe but don't come to the UK.

Yes, and how are Germany and Sweden faring with their open door policies?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Talking about immigration plays into Reform's hands. Labour should be talking about the NHS and policy areas where it polls strongest in. Farage has successfully got the media and nation discussing his agenda where Reform polls strongest on.

Don't you believe it. People around here are beginning to despair about the inefficidncy and waste that goes on in the NHS and the inconsistency of service. Farage has better answers, somit doesn't really matter what Labour concentrate on. They know they've lost the Beneral Election 2029 already.

You are totally missing the elephant in the room, which is that Farage is talking about what concerns most people, and he's the only one with the guts to deliver.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They're just clever populists saying what they need to say to get elected. They're not worried about balancing the books or having a strategy for productivity and growth.

Of course they have. You've just closed your ears to what Farage is actually saying.

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Originally Posted by Carth

Apparently we need immigration to help the economy grow, while businesses are laying off staff or closing.

On the other hand:

If you want your nails painted a pretty colour - 6 establishments per square mile.
Fancy chicken nuggets and fries? - 17 establishments per square mile.
Need that hair cutting? - 8 establishments per square mile.
Getting the car washed - 12 establishments per square mile.
Need advice on home energy efficiency? - you'll usually get an unsolicited phone call 7 times a day

Planning a train journey? - check the 'strikes' timetable
Need a doctors appointment? - set the alarm for 7:30 am and get in the phone queue to grab one of the 7 appointments available
Have a query about a change of disability benefits? - expect being shunted around on the phone all day and still get no answer.
Need a dentist? - good luck on that one.

We need targeted immigration.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

When Labour tries to shift their narrative, they are brought straight back to thevFarage agenda.

But Reform should look beyond that and study what needs to be done for the economy, get it endorsed by theIFS etc, and beme fully credible.

Reform will grow the economy by bringing back the wealth creators, make trading easier, cut waste in the Civil Service, abolish unnecessary legislation that discourages small businesses and innovation and stop unnecessary government spending. The detailed plans will be laid out before the election.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

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Reform will grow the economy by bringing back the wealth creators, make trading easier, cut waste in the Civil Service, abolish unnecessary legislation that discourages small businesses and innovation and stop unnecessary government spending. The detailed plans will be laid out before the election.

Presumably, Nigel or one of Reform's luminaries told you that!

Right now, it's immigration that taxes the fickle British opinion. But, as the Labour years wear on, Reform needs to provide assurance well ahead of the next GE so that they remain at the head of the polls. And it is the economy that matters really. So it should be possible for Reform UK to maintain these twin threads and they need to keep it credible.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They're just clever populists saying what they need to say to get elected. They're not worried about balancing the books or having a strategy for productivity and growth.

Clearly labour are and the tories were.