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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Use your imagination. "Taking France on" means just that - confrontation and, I hope, an international incident.
Alternatively, reinstate the Ruanda scheme.
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I'd rather you stated what you actually meant, rather than misinterpret what I thought you thought you meant...
How would this confrontation take place, and would it involve " the right naval operations", and would these "operations" breach International Law?
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12-08-2025, 20:47
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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I'd rather you stated what you actually meant, rather than misinterpret what I thought you thought you meant...
How would this confrontation take place, and would it involve " the right naval operations", and would these "operations" breach International Law?
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The "right naval operations" would be the ones necessary to prevent the migrants from landing in the UK. Your imagination and mine would likely be congruent. On international law, I think we have a national emergency on our hands - principally on security and economic grounds and our actions, backed by suitable laws, could be framed in that context.
Something drastic needs to be done. The migrants are escaping France, not Iran and thus France needs to be faced down.
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12-08-2025, 22:00
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
We're not 'taking on' France. Complete brainrot.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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We're not 'taking on' France. Complete brainrot.
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People do seem to let their irrational hatreds get the better of them, but would no doubt be at the back of the queue to volunteer for getting involved with any facing off with France.
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Yesterday, 08:54
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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The "right naval operations" would be the ones necessary to prevent the migrants from landing in the UK. Your imagination and mine would likely be congruent. On international law, I think we have a national emergency on our hands - principally on security and economic grounds and our actions, backed by suitable laws, could be framed in that context.
Something drastic needs to be done. The migrants are escaping France, not Iran and thus France needs to be faced down.
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Once again, you waffle without specifics…
Trust me, our imaginations are unlikely to be congruent, as I don’t have paranoid fantasies about the Great Replacement Theory or moot Trump-like solutions…
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
some people would rather stand on the Kent shoreline with their pants around their ankles waving a white flag
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Once again, you waffle without specifics…
Trust me, our imaginations are unlikely to be congruent, as I don’t have paranoid fantasies about the Great Replacement Theory or moot Trump-like solutions…
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No waffle. Just resistance to your fishing expedition. Your imagination can picture what I mean.
We don't see much from you in the way of suggestions for solving the boats crisis. You're just up there looking for something to snipe at.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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some people would rather stand on the Kent shoreline with their pants around their ankles waving a white flag
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Please keep your personal fantasies to yourself… 
---------- Post added at 09:22 ---------- Previous post was at 09:19 ----------
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No waffle. Just resistance to your fishing expedition. Your imagination can picture what I mean.
We don't see much from you in the way of suggestions for solving the boats crisis. You're just up there looking for something to snipe at.
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No, I’m trying to understand what you would like done, rather than just "something must be done!" or "the right naval operations"…
Once again, you’re Faraging - being non-specific, hoping others will think inappropriate solutions/actions, and then deny that is what you meant…
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Please keep your personal fantasies to yourself…
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No, I’m trying to understand what you would like done, rather than just "something must be done!" or "the right naval operations"…
Once again, you’re Faraging - being non-specific, hoping others will think inappropriate solutions/actions, and then deny that is what you meant… |
Wrong. You're fishing. Even a fool's imagination would understand my point.
Btw, you mentioned "inappropriate actions". So your imagination has been at work.
I'll give you a clue, though: Our actions should ensure that no migrant boats arrive in the UK by all means necessary for that to happen. It would cause an international incident - but that's long overdue.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
In quite a few discussions on the topic of the stopping 'boat people', my usual go-to answer is snipers.
I very rarely get asked again, which is a shame as my alternate choice is Minefields 
Of course this is just me being the fearless and intrepid dick that I can be, because if I say "you'll never stop them" it just provokes further pointless discussion.
The monster is out of the box and growing, and you won't get it back in unless you slice and dice it.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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The monster is out of the box and growing, and you won't get it back in unless you slice and dice it.
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I'd rather you explained what you mean by "slice and dice it". You mentioned being a "dick". Just asking - LOL.
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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I'd rather you explained what you mean by "slice and dice it". You mentioned being a "dick". Just asking - LOL.
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The monster now won't fit unless you chop it into smaller tightly packed pieces.
Do you start with the head, the tail, or just chop away indiscriminately hoping to get lucky? Can you actually see and reach the all of the monster?
I can identify as a Dick if I want to  Sometimes being a Dick means giving an answer nobody wants to hear, to a question nobody has an answer to
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Yesterday, 12:18
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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In quite a few discussions on the topic of the stopping 'boat people', my usual go-to answer is snipers.
I very rarely get asked again, which is a shame as my alternate choice is Minefields
Of course this is just me being the fearless and intrepid dick that I can be, because if I say "you'll never stop them" it just provokes further pointless discussion.
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Probably because your suggestions have as much basis in reality as saying "I'll click my Red Doc Martens and say "there's no place like home!"... 
It would be a crime for military personnel to snipe unarmed civilians who were not posing an imminent threat to anyone at the time ( and also against the detailed guidance is found in JSP 383 -
Joint Services Manual on the Law of Armed Conflict), and mining the busiest waterway in the world would have inappropriate consequences on the rest of the shipping (over 500 ships per day) that use the Channel...
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Probably because your suggestions have as much basis in reality as saying "I'll click my Red Doc Martens and say "there's no place like home!"...
It would be a crime for military personnel to snipe unarmed civilians who were not posing an imminent threat to anyone at the time ( and also against the detailed guidance is found in JSP 383 -
Joint Services Manual on the Law of Armed Conflict), and mining the busiest waterway in the world would have inappropriate consequences on the rest of the shipping (over 500 ships per day) that use the Channel... |
But is it more realistic than a conflict with France?
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Yesterday, 12:44
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
GB News revealed on Wednesday that 107 migrants crossed the Channel in one boat and it was a new design compared to what has been used to date. A senior maritime security source told GB News, “This is highly alarming.
107 in one boat, that's going to end in disaster if it's the new boat size.
https://londonlovesbusiness.com/smug...-100-migrants/
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