12-08-2025, 11:20
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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France had more asylum seekers than the U.K….
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What are "the right naval operations", please?
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12-08-2025, 11:23
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Hugh
France had more asylum seekers than the U.K….
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What are "the right naval operations", please?
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Whatever you want them to be in order to stop any boats from landing in the UK.
Incidentally, I'm not against facing France/Macron down.
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12-08-2025, 11:56
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
Get Chere on deck singing turn back migrants 
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12-08-2025, 12:18
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Hugh
France had more asylum seekers than the U.K.
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Now then Hugh, you've been warned before about bringing facts into this thread! 
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12-08-2025, 12:42
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Whatever you want them to be in order to stop any boats from landing in the UK.
Incidentally, I'm not against facing France/Macron down.
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Dodging the answer, then...
Be more specific - have the courage of your convictions...
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12-08-2025, 13:07
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Dodging the answer, then...
Be more specific - have the courage of your convictions...
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Not at all, You're fishing for something to latch onto.
That said - as I've hinted (bleedin' obvious really), France is not our friend and Macron needs to be taken on. Is that enough for you?
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12-08-2025, 13:35
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Not at all, You're fishing for something to latch onto.
That said - as I've hinted (bleedin' obvious really), France is not our friend and Macron needs to be taken on. Is that enough for you?
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No…
You’re avoiding responsibility for defining actions by hinting at what actions you want to happen, so you can later say "no, no, I didn’t say/mean that to happen" - you are Nigel Farage, and I claim my ten pounds!
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12-08-2025, 13:47
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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No…
You’re avoiding responsibility for defining actions by hinting at what actions you want to happen, so you can later say "no, no, I didn’t say/mean that to happen" - you are Nigel Farage, and I claim my ten pounds!
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You can push me all you like. But you know my position. We should take France on even at the expense of an international incident (I've said that before).
One thing is for sure: Starmer has no idea of how to stop the boats other than to shove money Macron's way and sign a ridiculous agreement that will not reduce the numbers.
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12-08-2025, 14:04
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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You can push me all you like. But you know my position. We should take France on even at the expense of an international incident (I've said that before).
One thing is for sure: Starmer has no idea of how to stop the boats other than to shove money Macron's way and sign a ridiculous agreement that will not reduce the numbers.
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We're already sending people back so there would be more people here if the agreement was not in place.
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12-08-2025, 14:18
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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We're already sending people back so there would be more people here if the agreement was not in place.
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But it's one out and one in. How does your statement compute? Then there's the revolving door, as returned migrants retry their voyage.
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12-08-2025, 15:07
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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France had more asylum seekers than the U.K….
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Well France is a bit bigger isn't it, anyway they'd have more and we'd have less if they got off their derrières and took a harder line.
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12-08-2025, 17:31
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Well France is a bit bigger isn't it, anyway they'd have more and we'd have less if they got off their derrières and took a harder line.
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U.K. population 69 million, France population 67 million…
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You can push me all you like. But you know my position. We should take France on even at the expense of an international incident (I've said that before).
One thing is for sure: Starmer has no idea of how to stop the boats other than to shove money Macron's way and sign a ridiculous agreement that will not reduce the numbers.
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But you’re deliberately vague about what "taking France on" means, just like your statement about "stop them with the right naval operations" - meaningless soundbites…
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12-08-2025, 17:37
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Originally Posted by Hugh
U.K. population 69 million, France population 67 million…
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But you’re deliberately vague about what "taking France on" means, just like your statement about "stop them with the right naval operations" - meaningless soundbites…
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Use your imagination. "Taking France on" means just that - confrontation and, I hope, an international incident.
Alternatively, reinstate the Ruanda scheme.
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12-08-2025, 17:50
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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U.K. population 69 million, France population 67 million…
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France is just over twice the size of the UK, yet the UK population numbers are greater than France. Plenty of room left over there 
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12-08-2025, 17:54
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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France had more asylum seekers than the U.K….
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And are the French happy about that?
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