Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[Carth]

Any elections held in Gaza will probably be the 'gun at the head' variety

or at best "if you vote for us you'll be given some dry bread and watery soup"

Originally Posted by Carth

Any elections held in Gaza will probably be the 'gun at the head' variety

or at best "if you vote for us you'll be given some dry bread and watery soup"

Anyway, that’s enough about Israel’s intentions…

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Anyway, that’s enough about Israel’s intentions…

What a shocking thing to say. This all started with the most inhuman attack on Israel by Hamas. They took 250 or so hostages, 50 of which are still being held.

Hamas could have spared their population a lot of recent grief by releasing the hostages. It is now mooted that Hamas would win an election in the West Bank and we all know what that will mean.

Hamas are 100% to blame for all of this and anti-Israel remarks need much more qualification than Hugh has provided.

[Carth]

I actually took it as that silly humour we all often subscribe to, he just forgot the smiley face on the end.

Apologies to Hugh if I got that wrong, but yes I had a silly giggle at it

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What a shocking thing to say. This all started with the most inhuman attack on Israel by Hamas. They took 250 or so hostages, 50 of which are still being held.

Yes they did, and Israel were entitled to strike back, and were largely supported in doing so.

However, they have since lost the plot, and gone completely off the rails, losing most of that support.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What a shocking thing to say. This all started with the most inhuman attack on Israel by Hamas. They took 250 or so hostages, 50 of which are still being held.

Hamas could have spared their population a lot of recent grief by releasing the hostages. It is now mooted that Hamas would win an election in the West Bank and we all know what that will mean.

Hamas are 100% to blame for all of this and anti-Israel remarks need much more qualification than Hugh has provided.

If you actively believe the above then you’re more radicalised than the imaginary radicalised army you believe are invading the UK

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

If you actively believe the above then you’re more radicalised than the imaginary radicalised army you believe are invading the UK

Not just blinkers over your eyes.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not just blinkers over your eyes.

No blinkers over my eyes at all. However, to return to topic Israel have as Paul said gone totally ott on their response. This is no longer anymore about removing Hamas , as members of the Israeli cabinet have said they want the Palestinians out of Gaza so they can have it for themselves

IMHO the Israeli governments intentions are now on par with the Nazis

[Sephiroth]

How about Hamas releasing their hostages?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

How about Hamas releasing their hostages?

I doubt there's anyone on this Forum who doesn't want that to happen.

Given a choice of saving the lives of the innocent hostages or his position in power, Netanyahu has gone for the latter, ignoring the advices of the IDF and pleas from families of the hostages.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It is now mooted that Hamas would win an election in the West Bank and we all know what that will mean.

Hopefully they won't.

But if Israeli settlers are evicting Palestinians from their farms in the West Bank and Palestinians are dying in their thousands from malnutrition, bombing and gun fire in Gaza, you don't need to be a genius to understand why support for more radical parties like Hamas may be growing. You just need to be objective and not naively assume that one country is always in the right.

[Sephiroth]

For the record, Netanyahu and is orthodox partners in government are a disgrace for all the reasons given in this thread. In particular, the bully settlers who steal Palestinian land and, according to reports, injure and kill Palestinians.

I also suspect that if there was an election in Israel, Netanyahu and his acolytes would lose - but not by much due to the demographics of Israel.

Then there is Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran. They are dedicated to Israel's destruction. Not only that, but Hamas roasted babies in ovens on 7th October - hence Israel's furious response. That brings us to what is happening now in terms of civilian casualties and worse - totally unacceptable. But as much as you can criticise Israel for its part in this atrocity, how about Hamas releasing the hostages such that a ceasefire takes place?

Make no mistake, all-out war is like that, made horribly complicated by the politics of Israel.

In all the circumstances, the simplest route to ceasefire is for Hamas to free its hostages. What happens after that will be immensely difficult. Trumps plan may have merit if the population is retained and employed to rebuild Gaza.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

However, they have since lost the plot, and gone completely off the rails, losing most of that support.

Not mine!

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

If you actively believe the above then you’re more radicalised than the imaginary radicalised army you believe are invading the UK

The last paragraph seemed accurate

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

IMHO the Israeli governments intentions are now on par with the Nazis

Utter bollocks

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not mine!

Of course, as the saying goes - "There's always one".

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Not mine!

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The last paragraph seemed accurate

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Utter bollocks

How so?

You and I both know there have been multiple politicians in Israeli governments who have stated they want Palestinians wiped out. Earlier this year a member of the israeli government stated that all adult Gaza men should be executed and that the Palestinians were sub human and no one wanted them.

Israel is on the verge of becoming a pariah state. They’ve proved that even with backing and significant military they can’t eradicate Hamas , they’ve little to zero care for civilian casualties, they’ve pushed pretty much the entire population into starvation by placing a stranglehold on aid getting into the country. iIRC less than 5% of farmable land is available for use.

This is now a war against Hamas in name only.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

How so?

You and I both know there have been multiple politicians in Israeli governments who have stated they want Palestinians wiped out. Earlier this year a member of the israeli government stated that all adult Gaza men should be executed and that the Palestinians were sub human and no one wanted them.

Israel is on the verge of becoming a pariah state. They’ve proved that even with backing and significant military they can’t eradicate Hamas , they’ve little to zero care for civilian casualties, they’ve pushed pretty much the entire population into starvation by placing a stranglehold on aid getting into the country. iIRC less than 5% of farmable land is available for use.

This is now a war against Hamas in name only.

I’ll make it easy, Show me the industrialised slaughter of Palestinians.

Show me trains, buses, wagons of civilians being brought into holding camps and killed, and then tossed into mass graves after having all their valuables taken from them.

Show me Palestinians bring lined up on the edge of mass graves and being machine gunned, to fall on top of the previous line up that aren’t all already dead.


Israel is nothing like Nazi Germany, to suggest so is, I repeat, utter bollocks.