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There is a difference between "I hear xxxx is going to happen in the next few weeks" and the really vague "Big changes coming soon".

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2018

They have broadcasting new Sky Atlantic Original UK programming of late on Sky Showcase.

Yes, a bit late in the day!

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Originally Posted by vincerooney

i hate the expression of "woke" just say you dont like the tv show oldboy its quite fine to say it and just say you thought it was unrealistic for the time period or something?

dont just say "woke" as some form of criticism for a tv show. 15 years ago no one on here would know what that meant. you were on here back then too. you joined in 2008. never used words like "woke" back then.

i'm just fed up of hearing people regurgitate words from either the left wing or (yeah its mainly this next lot) the right wing press. i immediately know then the word "woke" got used because there is several articles about how they wanted a buzz word to use to take a catchphrase and turn it right wing "crusade" against things they didn't like. so everything they didn't like became "woke".

i'm bored of politics and i dont want to see it on here tbh so just say something else rather than be a cliche old boy and when you use words like "woke" thats just being a cliche and you're better than that

It’s not a cliché, Vince, this is a real problem. In terms of drama in particular - reality is twisted to serve this new political agenda.

In terms of ‘The Gilded Age’, the black character is being accepted and given privileges well beyond what would have happened back then.They are twisting history, and all in the name of this new ‘woke’ political agenda. It has to stop.

In terms of my comment, I did point out that this was, overall, a decent drama but it was ‘a little bit woke’ at times. I think this is a fair comment, and if you bothered to watch it, and if you had any sense of history at all, you would recognise my comment as fair.

[TimeLord2018]

Originally Posted by Paul

There is a difference between "I hear xxxx is going to happen in the next few weeks" and the really vague "Big changes coming soon".

Maybe 'It's hard being the loneliest number sometimes' is a hint?

If channel changes are coming I'd guess by the Spring.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Godwin’s Second Law springs to mind…

But, in the interest of balance, perhaps Old Boy could provide examples of "wokeness" from "The Gilded Age" programme - we may agree with him?

I have to say, I never thought of Julian Fellowes as being "woke"…

Yes, a black lady who has been robbed is sat at a railway station. A white woman takes pity on her and is allowed to accompany her on a train to her wealthy aunt, on the basis she will be allowed to live there.

Basically, the black lady’s sense of superiority overcomes any lame ‘discrimination’ that clearly exists, and she easily gets a job which enables her to earn decent money. 🤭😂😂😂

It is such a wildly ridiculous idea that it’s laughable - things simply were not like that back that back in the day. The drama trivialises what these people went through and actually weakens their case for equality at the end of the day - was this the intended consequence of our attempted re-education?

If so, it has failed spectacularly.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, a black lady who has been robbed is sat at a railway station. A white woman takes pity on her and is allowed to accompany her on a train to her wealthy aunt, on the basis she will be allowed to live there.

Basically, the black lady’s sense of superiority overcomes any lame ‘discrimination’ that clearly exists, and she easily gets a job which enables her to earn decent money. 🤭😂😂😂

It is such a wildly ridiculous idea that it’s laughable - things simply were not like that back that back in the day. The drama trivialises what these people went through and actually weakens their case for equality at the end of the day - was this the intended consequence of our attempted re-education?

If so, it has failed spectacularly.

It was the white lady who was robbed, and she is helped by the black lady, who bought her train ticket to New York, which is why she was invited to stay at the white lady's relatives house.


You state

things simply were not like that back that back in the day

Julian Fellowes, the writer, did some research, and would beg to differ - which is why he included this in the storyline.

https://www.columbian.com/news/2022/...te-we-checked/

Fellowes had read “Black Gotham,” in which author Carla Peterson traces her family history to the Black elite of 19th century New York. “I had no idea, really, that there was a prosperous, upper-middle-class Black community in New York towards the end of the 19th century, based not in Harlem, but in Brooklyn,” Fellowes said. “And these were affluent people with status and businesses and families.”

Peggy is not based on a single historical figure but is inspired by a number of real Black female trailblazers of the era. These include the renowned author and activist Ida B. Wells, who documented lynchings across the country and became one of the founders of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People; Julia C. Collins, a Black teacher and writer from Pennsylvania whose incomplete book, “The Curse of Caste; or the Slave Bride,” is often cited as the first novel published by a Black American woman; and Susan McKinney Steward, the first Black female doctor in New York.

“Julian was intentional about drawing from multiple women’s lives in order to create a fictional character who embodies the spirit of the 1880s for young Black women in the elite,” Dunbar said.

Fellowes said he likes to have real-life models for his fictional characters because it allows him to defend them as truth: “I needed to know that a girl like Peggy existed and wanted to be a novelist, and she did.”

[Media Boy UK]

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k

Which is why i've stopped posting things coming soon, i get info but nothing concrete atm if that makes sense?
Ofcourse when i get concrete info i will post.

Same as me.

I stop having PM via Cable Forum from within Virgin Media O2 in 2019.

That why I have cut back and only do any main posting on my Social channels.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, a black lady who has been robbed is sat at a railway station. A white woman takes pity on her and is allowed to accompany her on a train to her wealthy aunt, on the basis she will be allowed to live there.

Basically, the black lady’s sense of superiority overcomes any lame ‘discrimination’ that clearly exists, and she easily gets a job which enables her to earn decent money. 🤭😂😂😂

It is such a wildly ridiculous idea that it’s laughable - things simply were not like that back that back in the day. The drama trivialises what these people went through and actually weakens their case for equality at the end of the day - was this the intended consequence of our attempted re-education?

If so, it has failed spectacularly.

Same as a lot of period dramas , black Queens etc your are not meant to see the colour

[SonicMaster]

Originally Posted by Hugh

It was the white lady who was robbed, and she is helped by the black lady, who bought her train ticket to New York, which is why she was invited to stay at the white lady's relatives house.


You state



Julian Fellowes, the writer, did some research, and would beg to differ - which is why he included this in the storyline.

https://www.columbian.com/news/2022/...te-we-checked/

Thanks for fact-checking this, and demonstrating that as usual the people that love to use the word 'woke' don't actually know what they are talking about 😂

[vincerooney]

Originally Posted by SonicMaster

Thanks for fact-checking this, and demonstrating that as usual the people that love to use the word 'woke' don't actually know what they are talking about ��

very interesting read and i knew Julian Fellowes the writer probably wouldn't be "woke" since hes a conservative party member in the house of lords and has been the last 14 years. we seem to be eating ourselves. a lot of people have been trained to call anything they don't like "woke" and it suddenly becomes political. Its been pushed as "buzz word" by the owners of right wing press who seem to be....very rich billionaires.

Yet lets acknowledge Julian in the house of lords is receiving a maximum daily attendance allowance of £361 for turning up a for a few minutes. we have so much to be angry at but we seem to be like little cats getting excited over laser pens being pointed in our direction and ignoring the bigger issues.

i dont want this to be political whatsoever but again we seem to be falling for all the traps and tricks the rich folk would set for people below their level so we can eat ourselves alive in culture wars. The laser pens of buzz words like "immigrants" and "woke" whilst ignoring how the rich have got richer and richer to insane levels the last 10 years..........BUT lets ignore this as i genuinely am tired

anyway does anyone know if i cancel BT Sports can i claim the cheaper discount next month.....