Reform UK's chronicles

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We were a member of the Council of Europe, keenly backed by Winston Churchill, which enacted the EHCR. Not so much as our agreeing to it but advocating it.

You can't cut NI loose, you'll never get a mandate in the UK to do that.

When did Winston see us as being aq member of it?

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We were a member of the Council of Europe, keenly backed by Winston Churchill, which enacted the EHCR. Not so much as our agreeing to it but advocating it.

You can't cut NI loose, you'll never get a mandate in the UK to do that.

There we differ if put to a vote , as things stand I think NI would vote to leave ( join Ireland). Why on earth would the rest of the UK hang on to it

[1701-e]

Way off topic.

Reform deffo want to keep NI regardless of any vote.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1701-e

Way off topic.

Reform deffo want to keep NI regardless of any vote.

So they aren't fans of democracy anylonger, slippery slope....

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

So they aren't fans of democracy anylonger, slippery slope....

Don't remember you being a fan of it either re the Brexit referendum

[Sephiroth]

I'm not sure that Reform UK fully agrees with what my policy would be.

1/
We should not leave the ECHR. It sends the wrong message to the world. But we should play the long game of brining it up to date with modern situations.

2/
In any case, we should remove any funding from the leeching/leftie lawyers who greedily sponge off the state to plead the case for the undocumented boat people.

3/
If France does not stop the boats from leaving France, we should give notice that we are prepared to create an international incident, if necessary, by pushing boats back to French waters.

4/
The undocumented boat people now in the UK must be moved into secure barrack accommodation and processed by a dedicated team. No freedom to roam in public, betting shops, etc. No cash cards; no mobile phones unless they have their own.

5/
Build jails for failed asylum seekers if we cannot return them whence they came.

6/
I would keep the GFA intact for the sake of NI. Not because I believe there would be violence, but we are post-Brexit and should make the most of it.



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Originally Posted by Itshim

There we differ if put to a vote , as things stand I think NI would vote to leave ( join Ireland). Why on earth would the rest of the UK hang on to it

Are you right? Topic searches on Google are as broad as they are long. Plus the Republic is under the Trump cosh.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We were a member of the Council of Europe, keenly backed by Winston Churchill, which enacted the EHCR. Not so much as our agreeing to it but advocating it.

A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then. Winston would be turning in his grave if he could see what this would lead to. He left us a free country, not a country unable to move in any direction due to the suffocating walls we built ourselves to ensure our almost total incapacity to do anything.

The ECHR has become completely onerous to governments due to the over-reach of judges, made worse by the fact that the UK seems to be the only country to take these judgments seriously. Other European nations only implement those decisions that suit them.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Are you right? Topic searches on Google are as broad as they are long. Plus the Republic is under the Trump cosh.

Well, the Catholics tend to breed like rabbits, so it’s only a matter of time before they become the majority of the electorate.

[Mr K]

Catholics now outnumber Protestants in NI. Hence a Sinn Fein first minister. Doesn't necessarily mean a United Ireland, but its just a matter of time. Brexit will have accelerated the process, if the population see a better life within the EU. Everyone has the right to vote to leave, Reform can surely agree with that?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

In any case, we should remove any funding from the leeching/leftie lawyers who greedily sponge off the state to plead the case for the undocumented boat people.

Solicitors advise their clients on their rights in the laws created by Parliament. The ones you describe as “lefty” are upholding the law, ie doing the job they’re qualified for. It sounds as if you’re advocating for changing the law to suit your own views.

When Bullshitting Boris described them as “lefty lawyers” the Bar Council, who represents ALL Law firms said his words were “shocking and troubling” but hardly surprising coming from the man who rarely agrees that the law applies to himself.

The term “lefty lawyers” has been around for 5 years or so. Why didn’t the then government amend laws that these solicitors were using to “exploit”?

Because lawyers are not the problem but it’s easy to dump blame on them.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

A lot of water has gone under the bridge since then. Winston would be turning in his grave if he could see what this would lead to. He left us a free country, not a country unable to move in any direction due to the suffocating walls we built ourselves to ensure our almost total incapacity to do anything.

The ECHR has become completely onerous to governments due to the over-reach of judges, made worse by the fact that the UK seems to be the only country to take these judgments seriously. Other European nations only implement those decisions that suit them.

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Well, the Catholics tend to breed like rabbits, so it’s only a matter of time before they become the majority of the electorate.

How to be casually offensive whilst not having a firm grasp of actual facts…

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...nd-historical/

however the gradual liberalization of Irish society and the decline of the church's influence, saw Ireland's fertility rate drop below two births per woman by the 1990s. (below replacement level). While fertility has remained below replacement level in the past three decades, the country still remains above the European average, with a total fertility rate of more than 1.8 children per woman in 2020, compared to the continental average of 1.6 children.

Pretty sure 1.8 children per woman isn’t "breeding like rabbits" - like so many of your viewpoints, it’s firmly stuck in the 50s and 60s…

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

How to be casually offensive whilst not having a firm grasp of actual facts…

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...nd-historical/



Pretty sure 1.8 children per woman isn’t "breeding like rabbits" - like so many of your viewpoints, it’s firmly stuck in the 50s and 60s…

That's an average, maybe the good looking ones are "breeding like rabbits" and the ugly ones aint getting any

Originally Posted by papa smurf

That's an average, maybe the good looking ones are "breeding like rabbits" and the ugly ones aint getting any

The end result is the same - averaging less than 2 children per woman...

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Russ

Solicitors advise their clients on their rights in the laws created by Parliament. The ones you describe as “lefty” are upholding the law, ie doing the job they’re qualified for. It sounds as if you’re advocating for changing the law to suit your own views.

When Bullshitting Boris described them as “lefty lawyers” the Bar Council, who represents ALL Law firms said his words were “shocking and troubling” but hardly surprising coming from the man who rarely agrees that the law applies to himself.

The term “lefty lawyers” has been around for 5 years or so. Why didn’t the then government amend laws that these solicitors were using to “exploit”?

Because lawyers are not the problem but it’s easy to dump blame on them.

Lawyer's in parliament, creating laws that put money in their and their friends pockets. Shock horror

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Lawyer's in parliament, creating laws that put money in their and their friends pockets. Shock horror

Tell us you have no idea or experience of how Laws work without telling us you have no idea or experience of how Laws work.

Originally Posted by Itshim

Lawyer's in parliament, creating laws that put money in their and their friends pockets. Shock horror

Historically (and currently) there have been substantially more business people in the House of Commons than lawyers - did they "create laws that put money in their and their friends pockets"?

https://researchbriefings.files.parl...3/CBP-7483.pdf