Starmer’s chronicles

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Speaking of which…

Seems to me she writes a lot of sense. Care to list what you think incorrect

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Nope, Rwanda never worked and no one was sent there.

Rwanda wasn’t even given a chance to work.

All the legal hurdles should have been removed in order to implement it. That should have been done at the time the Bill passed.

Originally Posted by Itshim

Seems to me she writes a lot of sense. Care to list what you think incorrect

I am not surprised that it seems to you that she writes a lot of sense...

Originally Posted by Hugh

I am not surprised that it seems to you that she writes a lot of sense...

You avoided the question though ...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Rwanda wasn’t even given a chance to work.

All the legal hurdles should have been removed in order to implement it. That should have been done at the time the Bill passed.

Was never intended to happen, it was just a scam to fool people into voting Conservative. It was an expensive waste of tax payers' money.

Originally Posted by Paul

You avoided the question though ...

You can’t debate emotive conspiracy theories presented without supporting evidence (such as "British Institutions captured by leftist ideologies", "they hate Western Civilisation, they hate families, they hate the Nation", and the old anti-Semitic trope of the "globalist network").

Truss is basically following the MAGA playbook of blaming her, and the countries, problems, on "the others" - it’s always someone else’s fault.

The "Great Restoration" is basically expelling all non-white immigrants, and returning to a nostalgic idealised past of cultural purity, where people were happy and "knew their place"…

The irony of Truss saying she attended CPAC Hungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain, when year on year CPAC Hungary refuses to allow journalists who they disagree with to attend, in a country that has just put forward legislation that that would allow the government to monitor, penalise and potentially ban organisations that receive any sort of foreign funding, including donations or EU grants.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You can’t debate emotive conspiracy theories presented without supporting evidence (such as "British Institutions captured by leftist ideologies", "they hate Western Civilisation, they hate families, they hate the Nation", and the old anti-Semitic trope of the "globalist network").

Truss is basically following the MAGA playbook of blaming her, and the countries, problems, on "the others" - it’s always someone else’s fault.

The "Great Restoration" is basically expelling all non-white immigrants, and returning to a nostalgic idealised past of cultural purity, where people were happy and "knew their place"…

The irony of Truss saying she attended CPAC Hungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain, when year on year CPAC Hungary refuses to allow journalists who they disagree with to attend, in a country that has just put forward legislation that that would allow the government to monitor, penalise and potentially ban organisations that receive any sort of foreign funding, including donations or EU grants.

Welcome to the EU

Originally Posted by Itshim

Welcome to the EU

It’s Hungary, not the EU…

Orban is Farage on steroids, using the MAGA playbook.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ict-free-press

On Wednesday, 26 EU lawmakers from across the political spectrum weighed in, signing a letter calling for Brussels to freeze all funding to Hungary. After years of being at loggerheads with the EU, there had been little meaningful progress, said the letter, written by German Green MEP Daniel Freund and seen by the Guardian.

Instead the country had seen further “alarming regressions,” citing examples such as the recent law banning Budapest’s Pride parade and the draft legislation aimed at silencing government critics.

“Continuing to fund a corrupt regime openly undermining European values is unacceptable,” the letter noted. “At a moment when Europe faces profound external challenges, we must stand united in defence of democracy and fundamental rights, resisting any drift towards authoritarianism in our union.”

[jem]

As I understand it, there is no mechanism to ‘eject’ a country from the EU, the idea that it might someday be required was simply not contemplated when the various treaties were drawn up.

At best, Hungary can be cut off from various funding, in theory a country's voting rights in the EU can be suspended but it requires a unanimous vote, so Hungary would need to vote for it’s own exclusion! Seems unlikely.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You can’t debate emotive conspiracy theories presented without supporting evidence (such as "British Institutions captured by leftist ideologies", "they hate Western Civilisation, they hate families, they hate the Nation", and the old anti-Semitic trope of the "globalist network").

You can debate anyone on anything, as long as they will debate with you.

There is definitely truth in institutions captured by leftist ideology.


Decolonise the ……..whatever you want…………we had one of the greatest and benevolent empires the world has ever seen. Yes it had its issues, but in general we left things in better shape than we found them.

But we are supposed to feel generational shame and regret, well I don’t and I’m teaching mt kids not to either.

Truss is basically following the MAGA playbook of blaming her, and the countries, problems, on "the others" - it’s always someone else’s fault.

I haven’t read the MAGA playbook, but if she is referring to the Bank of England which was the body that caused the crash, and the civil service in general, she’d be correct.

The "Great Restoration" is basically expelling all non-white immigrants, and returning to a nostalgic idealised past of cultural purity, where people were happy and "knew their place"…

I’m not familiar with the “great restoration” , I’d never heard of it before until now.

I doubt it would have much support.

What we need is to end multi-culturalism. It’s failed.

We need a multi-ethnic, mono-culture. You can be from anywhere but to live here you need to embrace our values, and live by them.

The irony of Truss saying she attended CPAC Hungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain, when year on year CPAC Hungary refuses to allow journalists who they disagree with to attend, in a country that has just put forward legislation that that would allow the government to monitor, penalise and potentially ban organisations that receive any sort of foreign funding, including donations or EU grants.

Do they also imprison, emotionally vulnerable women for social media posts? It’s not that ironic.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

All the legal hurdles should have been removed in order to implement it. That should have been done at the time the Bill passed.

So you're in favour of a government being able to ignore the law as it sees fit in order to force policies through?

Wow. Even for you, wow.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Was never intended to happen, it was just a scam to fool people into voting Conservative. It was an expensive waste of tax payers' money.

Er - £1 billion per week it costs to house/feed these undocumented people of fighting age. A waste of taxpayers’ money? Or what?

That stupid Starmer should at least not have thrown away the taxpayers’ money shelled out in the run-up to the first Rwanda flight. He should have tried to deport a plane load. Then monitor the effect.


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Originally Posted by Russ

So you're in favour of a government being able to ignore the law as it sees fit in order to force policies through?

Wow. Even for you, wow.

The legal hurdles to Rwanda had been overcome, subject to any last minute appeal by a deportee. Ignoring the law has never been a UK government option.

Surely you knew that?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You can debate anyone on anything, as long as they will debate with you.

Hugh mentioned supporting evidence.

You've tried to second guess what Liz Truss may have meant and continued in the same vein. Heck, I dare say if your paths crossed she may even thank you for your efforts here. But like her, you've failed to back up your assertions and conspiracy theories with any supporting evidence.

[Sephiroth]

It's Hugh’s go-to method to demand evidence in the face of the bleeding obvious.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Er - £1 billion per week it costs to house/feed these undocumented people of fighting age. A waste of taxpayers’ money? Or what?

It's what you voted for.

Brexit stopped UK returning half of asylum seekers, claims senior Tory
Chris Philp says leaving EU means Britain can no longer send illegal migrants back to the European country where they first arrived.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...sylum-seekers/

We've sacrificed the ability to return unlawful migrants to France and gained sovereignty. Hopefully, we can negotiate this ability back in the future.

I do think we need to process immigrants quicker to get as many as possible into the working population.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

It's Hugh’s go-to method to demand evidence in the face of the bleeding obvious.

Without evidence it becomes a "Oh not it didn't!" "Oh yes it did!" kind of argument rather than a nuanced discussion.