Starmer’s chronicles

[Russ]

Lets get back to the topic please.

[Mr K]

I think Sir K is super He's managed 2 trade deals in the last week. The Tories failed to do that in 8 years.

Love the right wing press reaction. They can't decide whether the deals are fantastic ( due to Brexit) , or a crap sell out, because its Labour , or we'd have been far better staying in the EU after all. The poor darlings are having a breakdown... Bless them.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I think Sir K is super He's managed 2 trade deals in the last week. The Tories failed to do that in 8 years.

Love the right wing press reaction. They can't decide whether the deals are fantastic ( due to Brexit) , or a crap sell out, because its Labour , or we'd have been far better staying in the EU after all. The poor darlings are having a breakdown... Bless them.

I think Mr K is wrong. The Tories (while they were messing the UK up in other ways) did trade deals with:

Albania, Andean Group (3), Australia, Cameroon, Canada, Cariform Group (14), Central America Group (6), Eastern & Southern Africa (4), EU (31) ... the list goes on - a further 37 countries including Japan, New Zealand, Turkey, Singapore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_t...0New%20Zealand.

Five of these are 'new' trade agreements, such as with Australia and New Zealand.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I think Sir K is super He's managed 2 trade deals in the last week. The Tories failed to do that in 8 years.

Love the right wing press reaction. They can't decide whether the deals are fantastic ( due to Brexit) , or a crap sell out, because its Labour , or we'd have been far better staying in the EU after all. The poor darlings are having a breakdown... Bless them.

You don’t get it. Starmer’s trade deal was a very small deal designed to address the tariff issue. The Conservatives one was a comprehensive trade deal which Trump would have signed had Biden not got in. Starmer has failed to take that forward, hence the criticism.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think Mr K is wrong. The Tories (while they were messing the UK up in other ways) did trade deals with:

Albania, Andean Group (3), Australia, Cameroon, Canada, Cariform Group (14), Central America Group (6), Eastern & Southern Africa (4), EU (31) ... the list goes on - a further 37 countries including Japan, New Zealand, Turkey, Singapore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_t...0New%20Zealand.

To be fair, I think the majority of those were ‘continuation deals’ negotiated by Truss.

[Sephiroth]

As Hugh has pointed out, several of them were new agreements.
Nevertheless, continuation agreements had to be negotiated.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As Hugh has pointed out, several of them were new agreements.
Nevertheless, continuation agreements had to be negotiated.

Indeed. I was just clarifying. It was vital that we negotiated continuation deals.

[Pierre]

Starmer announces nothing in big press conference.

Apparently he's going to reduce immigration by the end of the parliament, but not put a number on it.

"I don't think it's sensible to put a hard-edged cap on it - that has been done in one form or another for the best part of 10 years by different prime ministers."

He says "every single one" of the caps that have previously been imposed "failed", and he will not repeat that.

He's going to make sure he doesn't fail, by not specifying how much he will reduce it by.

Genius, there's a man with conviction, a leader who's determined to succeed in his plan.

and what is his plan?

He says the white paper sets out that every area of the immigration system will be tightened up.

This includes:

Skill requirements raised to degree level
English language requirements
The time it takes to get settled status raised from 5 years to 10 years

Oh right, that's definitely going to sort out the boats, Mohammad was just about to jump in a dinghy until someone pointed out to him that he didn't have a degree, so he got off and went back to Eritrea.


https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...#liveblog-body

[peanut]

Sounds more like a man that's panicking due to certain recent results.... No doubt the Tories will rubbish it and call it pathetic at some point.

Putting a hard number is stupid, which I doubt many politicians will fall for again.

Part of the problem here is that it's hard to stop the boats so they go after legal migration, which is by far the much bigger number, but in many cases, this might be immigration the country needs, such as social workers.

Immigration will certainly fall if you make it harder to get visas.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Damien

Putting a hard number is stupid, which I doubt many politicians will fall for again.

Part of the problem here is that it's hard to stop the boats so they go after legal migration, which is by far the much bigger number, but in many cases, this might be immigration the country needs, such as social workers.

Immigration will certainly fall if you make it harder to get visas.

My problem is not legal immigration, yes it needs tighten up. It's the illegal ones that cost the country billions that need to be stopped , Sir keir in playing with numbers. Not addressing the real problem. The answer is so simple offer them NO support and remove any government support to organisations that do.

Originally Posted by Itshim

My problem is not legal immigration, yes it needs tighten up. It's the illegal ones that cost the country billions that need to be stopped , Sir keir in playing with numbers. Not addressing the real problem. The answer is so simple offer them NO support and remove any government support to organisations that do.

The boats are a relatively small number. As are refugees. The biggest numbers are students and workers. That's the easiest way to bring down the numbers. They were due to come down anyway as there was a huge increase a few agos.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Damien

The boats are a relatively small number. As are refugees. The biggest numbers are students and workers. That's the easiest way to bring down the numbers. They were due to come down anyway as there was a huge increase a few agos.

The money it's all about the money

[Sephiroth]

The plan just announced needs to think through where critical skill shortages lie. Certain jobs will be shunned by Brits - I believe we need Phillipino careers and the are a real fit for the job. On Ferrari today, it was mentioned that the UK is short of lift engineers - the man discussing this imports labour fir this highly skilled role from the Middle East. All the dots need joining.