Starmer’s chronicles

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Anyway, wasn't it Labour that introduced 'beer and sandwiches'?

The tabloid press introduced the term as a disparaging way of describing trade union leaders meeting the PM at 10 Downing Street. The idea being that they couldn’t tolerate lunch at a table with a knife and fork and (supposedly) demanded the fayre they would expect at their working men’s club back home.

It’s a crude class stereotype, whether it has any basis in fact as far as negotiations in Downing Street in the 1970s are concerned, I have no idea. It certainly would have no basis in fact now. Trade unions, based on their recent public pronouncements at least, have largely abandoned working people in favour of faddish identitarian causes.

[Sephiroth]

https://independentblogposts.wordpre...nd-sandwiches/

Greene and the other rail union leaders fought endless battles over pay and conditions … Late-night talks became a staple diet for ministers and union leaders. In fact, it is possible to be precise about the birth of what became the “beer and sandwiches” syndrome, at midnight on February 12 1966, when Harold Wilson succeeded in persuading the rail unions to call off a planned national strike.

Greene was there at No 10 Downing Street, warily steering his executive towards a peace deal. The prime minister’s wife, Mary Wilson, along with the No 10 staff, made the sandwiches and used up all the remaining bread, including raiding the No 11 larder next door, where a sleeping chancellor, James Callaghan, was left without a loaf.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Oh, really? Do you have a link for that as something he has ever said in the last 10 years?

He has made it clear on many occasions that NHS treatment will be free at the point of delivery under a Reform government. How many times does he have to repeat this for it to sink in?

He has said the funding model needs to be reviewed and we all know that we cannot continue to put ever increasing amounts of money into the NHS. But whatever that results in, he has promised to keep its services free at the point of delivery.

I had a look on full fact and he does appear to have realised that scrapping the NHS would make him a pariah, bit like how brexit should've made him one once his lies were fully exposed but I'm still not convinced as when the Conservatives invited private insurance companies over a couple of years back they weren't the much vaunted European ones farage is now so impressed by it was American ones so you can see the direction of travel they were looking at

Originally Posted by Pierre

Come on, link please.

Or are you basing it on people that bought a house within the M25 in 50yrs ago that is now worth £X million, but they can’t afford to heat it?
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How else do you work it out other than by value of assets, pension pots and ready cash? Are you really saying that someone sitting in an asset worth that much deserves government help from taxes paid by younger people who have most likely no house or the prospect of ever buying one, I call bs on that and perhaps this quote is more apt than I first thought, especially if you take NHS out and insert government

Perhaps a change of name from NHS to" national hold your hand you poor hard done by thing "

Trump is holding a press conference at 3pm to about this UK-US trade deal.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Trump is holding a press conference at 3pm to about this UK-US trade deal.

'Beautiful' trade deal

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Damien

Trump is holding a press conference at 3pm to about this UK-US trade deal.

He needs something to wave around , big build up, bigger let down , enjoy the spin.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

'Beautiful' trade deal

The only trade deal as no one else is talking to him cos he's nuts

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

How else do you work it out other than by value of assets, pension pots and ready cash? Are you really saying that someone sitting in an asset worth that much deserves government help from taxes paid by younger people who have most likely no house or the prospect of ever buying one,

So, ignoring the taxes paid by the home (asset) owner, all their lives….I’ll park that.

So you’re suggesting that all those people within the M25 (and not just there) whose homes have appreciated over the years (but only in line with all the properties around them), what? They should sell? And move where? Up North? Rural Wales?

BTW selling those properties won’t make them any cheaper for younger people.

Your assessment is naive, envious and just ignorant

I call bs on that and perhaps this quote is more apt than I first thought, especially if you take NHS out and insert government

I call BS on you and your Jealous, envious, entitled attitude.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So, ignoring the taxes paid by the home (asset) owner, all their lives….I’ll park that.

So you’re suggesting that all those people within the M25 (and not just there) whose homes have appreciated over the years (but only in line with all the properties around them), what? They should sell? And move where? Up North? Rural Wales?

BTW selling those properties won’t make them any cheaper for younger people.

Your assessment is naive, envious and just ignorant


I call BS on you and your Jealous, envious, entitled attitude.

I'm not jealous or entitled, I've just sold my flat inside the M25, I wasn't entitled enough to expect other people to heat it for me either.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'm not jealous or entitled,

Your response suggest otherwise.

I've just sold my flat inside the M25,

Hooray! And? What exactly is your point. Did you make a profit? How much? Are you now moving to Stockton, as I expect you think everyone should do.

Did you invest in the property and maximise your return, or just leave it and take the market increase?

I wasn't entitled enough to expect other people to heat it for me ueither.

Good, don’t know why you might expect other people to heat your house anyway.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Your response suggest otherwise.



Hooray! And? What exactly is your point. Did you make a profit? How much? Are you now moving to Stockton, as I expect you think everyone should do.

Did you invest in the property and maximise your return, or just leave it and take the market increase?



Good, don’t know why you might expect other people to heat your house anyway.

Point is that when your rather ugly personality makes things personal you're usually wrong about the persons character or motives you're attacking, just like you have been here. We disagree that people with over a million quid in cash or assets should be getting state help, big deal.

Originally Posted by Damien

Trump set to announce UK-US trade deal: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn91dxzv4pnt

Brance yourselves, this will contain a lot of stuff we don't like

From the "Trade Deal" document...

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files...20rev%20v2.pdf

Both the United States and the United Kingdom recognize that this document does not constitute a legally binding agreement

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

From the "Trade Deal" document...

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files...20rev%20v2.pdf

is that the same as "not worth the paper it's written on"

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Point is that when your rather ugly personality makes things personal you're usually wrong about the persons character or motives you're attacking, just like you have been here. We disagree that people with over a million quid in cash or assets should be getting state help, big deal.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Point is that when your rather ugly personality makes things personal

They are always what they accuse you of.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter