Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Why does the Israeli response have to be “proportionate”?

To at least pretend international law isn’t just a white western construct we impose on other people.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

To at least pretend international law isn’t just a white western construct we impose on other people.

What law, international or otherwise, says any military response to an act of war needs to be “proportionate”?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

What law, international or otherwise, says any military response to an act of war needs to be “proportionate”?

That’s semantics. There’s basic expectations - like not summarily executing paramedics. My list isn’t exhaustive.

Can you - without qualification - criticise this one Israeli action?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

What law, international or otherwise, says any military response to an act of war needs to be “proportionate”?

The Law of Armed Conflict and International Humanitarian Law

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

That’s semantics. There’s basic expectations - like not summarily executing paramedics. My list isn’t exhaustive.

Can you - without qualification - criticise this one Israeli action?

The only “law” in war, is to win……..

And a “win” can have many definitions.

Total victory is preferable, but rarely achievable.

Israel, is pursuing total victory, as is their right.

Would I “criticise” Israel, yes..of course. Happy to do so on various fronts. It’s a low bar.

Would i “condemn” them? No.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

The Law of Armed Conflict and International Humanitarian Law

I’m sure when HAMAS comply with that law, Israel would be more than happy to.

Or do you think only Israel is bound by that law?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The only “law” in war, is to win……..

And a “win” can have many definitions.

Total victory is preferable, but rarely achievable.

Israel, is pursuing total victory, as is their right.

Would I “criticise” Israel, yes..of course. Happy to do so on various fronts. It’s a low bar.

Would i “condemn” them? No.

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I’m sure when HAMAS comply with that law, Israel would be more than happy to.

Or do you think only Israel is bound by that law?

Sigh, not this old nonsense again. When it comes to a time of war the actions of one party don’t legally justify the actions of another party

And stop trying to put words into peoples mouths, your modus operandi is easily guessable, tiresome and repetitive

[Sephiroth]

What is proportionate to roasting babies?

https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-m...ck-2023-10-12/

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office also released on social media a picture of a dead infant in a pool of blood and the charred body of a child, part of an apparent effort to stoke global anger against the Gaza militants over Saturday's attack.
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Blinken, who flew into Tel Aviv earlier on Thursday, told reporters he was shown photographs and videos of a baby riddled with bullets, soldiers beheaded and young people burned alive in their cars or hideaways.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What is proportionate to roasting babies?

https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-m...ck-2023-10-12/

Not roasting more?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Not roasting more?

Gotcha! (Don't misunderstand me).

[jfman]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/09/m...tam/index.html

Netanyahu met Trump seeking wins on tariffs and Iran. He returns to Israel empty-handed

Sound like the broken clock was right this time.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/09/m...tam/index.html

Sound like the broken clock was right this time.

He's had a bit of luck today in that his 17% tariff will now be cut to 10%, in line with everyone else except China. But it must have been a bit of shock not to get special treatment.

[Sephiroth]

Maybe it was Netanyahu that persuaded Trump to pause the tariffs.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Maybe it was Netanyahu that persuaded Trump to pause the tariffs.

or maybe all the people who finance him, whose fortunes started to take a battering.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

or maybe all the people who finance him, whose fortunes started to take a battering.

The problem with 2024 Trump is all the “non-traditional” backers are up there with anyone he can solicit for more.

In many markets there will be more to be made in the next 4 days than the next 4 decades as the gambling goes off the chart.

St Greta of Thundberg has been intercepted by the Israeli navy before getting anywhere near Gaza, as widely predicted. The narcissists activists on board the good ship Madleen had all recorded dramatic ‘in case I don’t make it’ videos which were released after they were arrested and taken to Israel overnight.

The IDF has, however, poured something of a dampener on their dramatic fireworks by releasing a photo of Greta grinning like the school kid she is while being handed a sandwich by one of her ‘captors’.