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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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It's something to do with the legality of the base, which is why the Tories started it as well, but what could that be? UN says it's not legal? So what? Good luck trying to invade it and take it back.
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So is that the new rules-based order, ignore the UN and just do what you want? History tells us that has not worked out well in the past
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05-02-2025, 16:12
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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It's something to do with the legality of the base, which is why the Tories started it as well, but what could that be? UN says it's not legal? So what? Good luck trying to invade it and take it back.
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05-02-2025, 16:18
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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So is that the new rules-based order, ignore the UN and just do what you want? History tells us that has not worked out well in the past
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If the UN told us to give the Falklands to Argentina we wouldn't do it.
Besides giving 'back' the Chagos Islands is one thing. Spending billions is nuts when we're not being compelled to do so. If keeping the American base is so important to us that we're willing to fork over £9-18bn then why abide by a decision that isn't apparently binding?
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05-02-2025, 16:35
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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05-02-2025, 17:18
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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If the UN told us to give the Falklands to Argentina we wouldn't do it.
Besides giving 'back' the Chagos Islands is one thing. Spending billions is nuts when we're not being compelled to do so. If keeping the American base is so important to us that we're willing to fork over £9-18bn then why abide by a decision that isn't apparently binding?
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The UN is ignored all the time. Such is politics.
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05-02-2025, 17:51
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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If the UN told us to give the Falklands to Argentina we wouldn't do it.
Besides giving 'back' the Chagos Islands is one thing. Spending billions is nuts when we're not being compelled to do so. If keeping the American base is so important to us that we're willing to fork over £9-18bn then why abide by a decision that isn't apparently binding?
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Would be interesting to know what our obligation to the US is. If we decide to cede the colony, surely our obligation to housing a US base there ends and it's up to the US to negotiate with the new owners of the island? And pay for it too.
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05-02-2025, 18:31
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Would be interesting to know what our obligation to the US is. If we decide to cede the colony, surely our obligation to housing a US base there ends and it's up to the US to negotiate with the new owners of the island? And pay for it too.
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Or just say sod you we're keeping it
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05-02-2025, 19:14
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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Or just say sod you we're keeping it
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05-02-2025, 19:28
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
Am I the only one who's never previously heard of these Islands?
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05-02-2025, 23:11
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
I had heard of them because the base being there was been an issue for a while, but it's obviously become a much bigger deal since.
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06-02-2025, 22:47
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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If the UN told us to give the Falklands to Argentina we wouldn't do it.
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This ^^^^^^. 100%
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07-02-2025, 16:14
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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This ^^^^^^. 100%
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We couldn't give them back to Argentina as Argentina did not own them in the first place. 
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07-02-2025, 18:52
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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We couldn't give them back to Argentina as Argentina did not own them in the first place. |
Can any one really own a island? Invade, overrun perhaps. To be fair what the heck Is the real difference between them being British and the USA taking Greenland perhaps Russia should claim the isle of Wight
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07-02-2025, 19:07
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
The Chagos have never really belonged to Mauritius. The only connection is that they were both once "owned" by France.
Seychelles, Maldives, Sri Lanka, and India are all nearer than Mauritius.
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07-02-2025, 20:52
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Re: Starmer’s chronicles
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We couldn't give them back to Argentina as Argentina did not own them in the first place. |
He didn’t say give them “back”, he just said “give them”.
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