Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Paul

Hmmm, who would want to live there ? Doesnt seem like it would be very safe.

I think that article says there’s about thirty settlements with 20k settlers in total already

[tweetiepooh]

Israel needs to step carefully here. They took the Golan because their enemies were using it as a high ground to shell Israel. Taking them for protection and some settlement on them would likely be OK but to settle further at a time when they need to keep allies for their attacks on terror groups must really be justified.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Israel needs to step carefully here. They took the Golan because their enemies were using it as a high ground to shell Israel. Taking them for protection and some settlement on them would likely be OK but to settle further at a time when they need to keep allies for their attacks on terror groups must really be justified.

They might as well rename it as target heights

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

They might as well rename it as target heights

But they are high. Prior to 67 sniper positions on the Heights were used to shoot into Israel. Israel at the time was very unlikely to snipe into surrounding nations. The current government is somewhat more hawkish but I doubt even they would order.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Israel needs to step carefully here. They took the Golan because their enemies were using it as a high ground to shell Israel. Taking them for protection and some settlement on them would likely be OK but to settle further at a time when they need to keep allies for their attacks on terror groups must really be justified.

Israel have stated that due to the Syrian regime collapse that the agreement in place is now null and void. And wouldn’t you know it off they go.

I’d really like to see anyone try to justify this.


Israel appear to believe they can act with impunity because they know the US and other nations will back them up due to their sense of guilt. And if you don’t agree with their agenda then you’re anti Israeli

They’re acting like a political shithouse

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

They’re acting like a political shithouse

Looks like plain and simple opportunism - grab some of your neighbour's land when they're laid up in bed and can't do anything about it. I guess the argument goes that the bigger Israel is, the safer it is.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Looks like plain and simple opportunism - grab some of your neighbour's land when they're laid up in bed and can't do anything about it. I guess the argument goes that the bigger Israel is, the safer it is.

I’m not sure that argument holds much weight considering the unequivocal support it has from for example the US.

If it were any other nation in the region doing the same there would be hell on, if Israel didn’t have said backing it wouldn’t dare do it.

They’re like the kid that goes and hits another kid because they know they’ve got a bigger kid who will stand up for them no what they do.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

But they are high. Prior to 67 sniper positions on the Heights were used to shoot into Israel. Israel at the time was very unlikely to snipe into surrounding nations. The current government is somewhat more hawkish but I doubt even they would order.

I meant the heights would become a target if they get covered in settlements

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Looks like plain and simple opportunism .

Prudence, until they know what this Jihadi led militia's intentions are.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Prudence, until they know what this Jihadi led militia's intentions are.

Even when they do know, they are not giving it back hence the political shithouse comment earlier

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Even when they do know, they are not giving it back hence the political shithouse comment earlier

Abu Mohammed al-Golani. (I’ve seen it spelled Jawlani & Jolani) but it is Golani.

Means the “from Golan”, his father was from there.

It’s not his real name, so he has changed it as a statement

One might think he would like to return to Golan………………..

[ianch99]

Good to hear:

Pope calls Gaza airstrikes 'cruelty' after Israeli minister's criticism

Pope Francis on Saturday again condemned Israeli airstrikes in Gaza, a day after an Israeli government minister publicly denounced the pontiff for suggesting the global community should study whether the military offensive there constitutes a genocide of the Palestinian people.

Francis opened his annual Christmas address to the Catholic cardinals who lead the Vatican's various departments with what appeared to be a reference to Israeli airstrikes on Friday that killed at least 25 Palestinians in Gaza.

"Yesterday, children were bombed," said the pope. "This is cruelty. This is not war. I wanted to say this because it touches the heart."
The pope, as leader of the 1.4-billion-member Roman Catholic Church, is usually careful about taking sides in conflicts, but he has recently been more outspoken about Israel's military campaign against Palestinian militant group Hamas.
In book excerpts published last month, the pontiff said some international experts said that "what is happening in Gaza has the characteristics of a genocide".

The Israeli government denounces anyone who disagrees with them, I dont think anyone pays much attention to their moaning now.
However, I think the reverse is also true, aside from the denouncing, they (Israel) dont really pay much attention to people who criticize them.

[thenry]

"all hell will break loose in the middle east"

If the hostages aren't returned by the time Trump takes office. Assertive by President Trump.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by thenry

"all hell will break loose in the middle east"

If the hostages aren't returned by the time Trump takes office. Assertive by President Trump.

A bit late - I think it already has.