Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[noel43]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Sorry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_of_formation

Shows all countries, many, many formed after WW2, with changes in territories, and forms of government.

The formation of Israel does not make it illegitimate.

Didn't say it was illegitimate, those are your words not mine. Most countries you mention changed after gaining independence.

Originally Posted by noel43

Didn't say it was illegitimate, those are your words not mine.

Please, stop using such amateur debate tactics. Your choices are twofold. Either you meant to imply illegitimacy but you hoped other people would say it for you because you lack the conviction to actually say what you believe. Or, on the other hand, you genuinely haven’t a clue what ‘a state but not a country’ might mean and you are in fact simply repeating what someone else has told you to believe without understanding it.

If there’s a third option please by all means, go ahead …

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyl...e9908c4b8#post

I posted this link to the BBC’s ‘live’ page last week and suggested Frank Gardiner was smoking copium over the story of the exploding pagers. He seemed way too keen to paint the timing of the detonations as some sort of schoolboy error, suggesting there was no evidence of a build-up towards broader Israeli action that would be the only logical reason for this sort of attack on Hezbollah’s logistics.

“It’s possible that, when it comes to sabotaging its enemy’s communications, Israel has shot its bolt too early” he intoned solemnly.

Yet what happened next … 24 hours later, the walkie talkies exploded. Then Hezbollah’s leadership convened a crisis meeting at a location Israel clearly knew about and was ready to destroy - and did so, on Friday, decapitating the organisation’s leadership in Lebanon. Now, today, they’re doing the very thing Gardiner somehow decided couldn’t be about to happen, i.e. pounding Hamas positions.

Now, tonight, Bothsides Bowen is on the news at 10 opining that Israel is probably wasting its time trying to take down Hezbollah having had a year to do similar to Hamas in Gaza, and not yet having completed the task.

I’m left with the distinct impression that the BBC’s correspondents are all toeing an agreed editorial line which is that Israel doesn’t know what it’s doing, is reckless, and won’t get what it wants. That’s not inherently antisemitic but it is definitely aligned with the line-to-take coming from Hamas and Hezbollah’s useful idiots in the West. I’m sure that’s just a massive coincidence though.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Chris

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyl...e9908c4b8#post

I’m left with the distinct impression that the BBC’s correspondents are all toeing an agreed editorial line which is that Israel doesn’t know what it’s doing, is reckless, and won’t get what it wants. That’s not inherently antisemitic but it is definitely aligned with the line-to-take coming from Hamas and Hezbollah’s useful idiots in the West. I’m sure that’s just a massive coincidence though.

The BBC News has become a national embarrassment rather than a national treasure.

Thread title updated.

If I was one of the mad Mullahs in Tehran I’d be pooing my pants about now. 180 missiles, minimal damage caused to Israel, and a fat target now painted on every Iranian military asset which has just become a legitimate and immediate potential target. What were they thinking?

The general opinion seems to be they were thinking they had to do something, so as not to look weak & powerless.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

Thread title updated.

If I was one of the mad Mullahs in Tehran I’d be pooing my pants about now. 180 missiles, minimal damage caused to Israel, and a fat target now painted on every Iranian military asset which has just become a legitimate and immediate potential target. What were they thinking?

They're all safely underground. Meanwhile, their chances of getting Trump into power are increased.

Originally Posted by Chris

Thread title updated.

If I was one of the mad Mullahs in Tehran I’d be pooing my pants about now. 180 missiles, minimal damage caused to Israel, and a fat target now painted on every Iranian military asset which has just become a legitimate and immediate potential target. What were they thinking?

Even a place like Iran has to worry about domestic opinion to an extent I guess.

[45rpm]

Originally Posted by noel43

No. I believe in facts, as opposed to what I am told. Never said Israel should not exist, Just said they should not be occupying Gaza thirty years after it invaded

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Actually Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Farmers, soldiers. etc, etc all left. Sadly since that time, the Hamas government used every ounce of manpower to build tunnels, rockets and weaponry; and then complain to the world that that the population had no food.

Secondly, remember why Israel was in Gaza. It was because Gamal Abdel Nasser wanted to eliminate Israel. You say Israel "invaded"; it was a defensive operation by Israel against Egypt, not the Gazans

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Originally Posted by noel43

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What countries

Both India and Pakistan; and subsequently Bangladesh
Indonesia:
The Philippines
Virtually all the Arab nations
Communist German Democratic Republic
Many Soviet satellite states,

I'm sure there are plenty more examples if you choose to research; eg look up Yugoslavia's history.

So Israel has been hammering Iran overnight and the mad Mullahs are crying ‘didn’t even hurt!’ Just like a little playground bully who made a nuisance of himself once too often and got flattened by one of the older boys.

[papa smurf]

Thank you General Bluster for that military analysis

[papa smurf]

Arrest warrants issued for Netanyahu, Gallant and Hamas commander over alleged war crimes

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly2exvx944o


The judges said there were “reasonable grounds” the three men bore "criminal responsibility" for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity during the war between Israel and Hamas. Both Israel and Hamas have rejected the allegations.

war crimes and crimes against humanity,very serious charges

[Pierre]

Performative nonsense.

[papa smurf]

Downing Street has indicated Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would be arrested if he arrived on British soil following an international arrest warrant being issued for him.

https://news.sky.com/story/home-secr...rrant-13258193


i wonder where would the trial take place if one or all are arrested by one of the countrys signed up to the icc

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Downing Street has indicated Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would be arrested if he arrived on British soil following an international arrest warrant being issued for him.

https://news.sky.com/story/home-secr...rrant-13258193


i wonder where would the trial take place if one or all are arrested by one of the countrys signed up to the icc

What is the court in the Hague, not being sarcastic