President Trump 2.0

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

I think it's quite simple in the end. People don't like governments that oversee high inflation and a fall in living standards.

Or word salad, cackling, airheads.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Maggy

They didn't want a woman as president.

Specifically, they didn't want a black woman as president ...

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Thank goodness the US is getting a Republican administration. Now we can crack on with signing that trade deal which Biden's been withholding from us.

What is more likely is the stifling of growth and the price rises from the new tariffs he has promised .. unless he was lying of course

I am confident that the Trump supporters here in the UK would welcome this together with the further tax rises to pay for increased military spending required to counter Trump's withdrawal of US support for NATO, Ukraine, etc.

From today's Spectator:

Nato should be worried about Donald Trump

Let us read the Trump runes for a moment. In February, he said he would ‘encourage [Russia] to do whatever the hell they want’ to Nato members who ‘didn’t pay’ and are ‘delinquent’. He has also said he would end the war in Ukraine ‘in 24 hours’, and his vice-presidential running mate, Senator JD Vance of Ohio, hinted at a ‘peace’ plan which would confirm Russia’s current military gains and ban Ukraine from joining the alliance. In 2020, the Trump administration announced plans to cut troop numbers in Europe by 25 per cent.

In a similar vein, Trump said in July that Taiwan ‘should pay us for defence’, musing that the country ‘took all of our chip business’ and ‘doesn’t give us anything’. Asked in a Bloomberg interview if the United States under his presidency would defend Taiwan against aggression from China, Trump left little room for doubt:

Taiwan is 9,500 miles away. It’s 68 miles away from China… that’s the apple of President Xi’s eye, he was a very good friend of mine until Covid… Taiwan took our chip business from us… I don’t think we’re any different from an insurance policy. Why? Why are we doing this?

We must be realistic here. Donald Trump has strongly indicated or stated that he would not defend ‘delinquent’ Nato allies, Ukraine or Taiwan against aggression, sees international commitments mainly as a financial drain and would like to reduce America’s overseas military deployments. Joining these dots is hardly a challenge. A second Trump administration is likely to reduce its contribution to Nato substantially, which will have a very serious effect on the alliance’s capabilities, not only in overall quantum but also in areas like intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, air-to-air refuelling, ballistic missile defence, and airborne electromagnetic war.

It remains to be seen whether the United States simply begins to disengage, which would be serious enough, or whether the incoming president actively tries to reduce Nato’s activities. Whatever happens, the secretary general, Mark Rutte, and the alliance’s heads of government need to move fast, think creatively – and spend more.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Yea but where the hell is she?

May be she's had a brainwave regretting leaving her day job. Oh this is soo sweet. I had the tele on all night while I slept waking every so often to tune into SkyNews coverage. This is genuinely the first time in a very long time that I've woken up really happy

It does make you wonder why he felt the need to get a criminal conviction. People do strange things. USA clearly doesn't care. To be honest so long as they account for said offence I see no issue. He should work on credibility and absolutely boss his second term.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Chris

He was criminally convicted by a jury. End of.

+1.

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Originally Posted by Maggy

They didn't want a woman as president.

+1.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Maggy

They didn't want a woman as president.

Russia should have a women president. But that's for another thread

Originally Posted by ianch99

Specifically, they didn't want a black woman as president ...

Based on what evidence exactly ?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

He was criminally convicted by a jury. End of.

Convicted of what? Nobody has ever said.

and magically converted it to a felony that was within the limitation period by alleging that the false entry was intended to cover up another crime.
In fact, the prosecution didn't tell the court what Trump's other 'crimes' were until their closing arguments on Wednesday – by which point the defense had no opportunity to respond.
And even then, the supposed crimes outlined were vague.

Even a show trial or kangaroo court would have the decency of telling you what you were being charged with.

In his closing instructions, Judge Juan Merchan exposed his already apparent bias once more – telling the jurors that they didn't actually have to agree on the specifics of Trump's unlawful behavior.

Even the Jurors weren't told, and were even told they could make something up.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Paul

Trump appears to be in the lead atm

Yup right now they are saying its him..... Its interesting,where did all the other votes go??

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Chris

I’m not going to lie, I’m disappointed in America and the large number of Americans who have been willing to overlook far too much. He’s a convict, a rapist, a con man and a mysoginist. I’m especially disappointed in the great swathes of Evangelical so-called Christians who have been willing to overlook his character in pursuit of one or two policies he is personally only lukewarm about.

I *hope* you’re right, and he spends the next 4 years not doing all the things he threatened to do. I *hope* it was all just a pantomime act to get votes. But at this point I’m not convinced.

And on that point, the Ukraine war isn’t going to end just because Trump said he’d end it. Ukraine, and the whole of Esastern Europe, is about to get a whole lot more dangerous because Putin *believes* he has Trump in his pocket and that will embolden him. Though right now I’m angrier at the Biden admin that has constantly spoken warm words about Ukraine while only ever doing just enough to prevent it from collapsing.

Sums up my feelings accurately although I hope he's telling the truth about healing America, what a legacy that would be, I'm not sure he has it in him to do it but I hope I'm proven wrong. I'm not convinced by his rhetoric about rounding millions of people up either, don't think there's enough cash to do it, just words like lock her up with any luck.

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Originally Posted by Paul

Based on what evidence exactly ?

The result

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Specifically, they didn't want that black woman as president ...

I am confident that the Trump supporters here in the UK would welcome this together with the further tax rises to pay for increased military spending required to counter Trump's withdrawal of US support for NATO, Ukraine, etc.

From today's Spectator:

I would welcome increased defence spending. Let's cancel Net-Zero, that'll easily pay for it all.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Maggy

They didn't want a woman as president.

A prerequisite for the US President is to be old, male, senile and preferably white ( or orange...)

Anyway seeing as Tango man was making claims of mass cheating and voting irregularities last night, surely the result is null and void?

[Anonymouse]

'Donald Trump has strongly indicated or stated that he would not defend ‘delinquent’ Nato allies, Ukraine or Taiwan against aggression, sees international commitments mainly as a financial drain and would like to reduce America’s overseas military deployments.'

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but as a NATO member, isn't that what POTUS, i.e. America, is supposed to do? Isn't that what NATO is all about: mutual defence?

A commitment is a commitment. At least it is if you're an adult.

Is it just me, or does WWIII sound more likely now? We already have a graphic picture of just how badly the UK will be affected from Threads. Contrary to what I think Trump believes, just like that guy in By Dawn's Early Light, who was a very poor choice of President, no-one can win a nuclear war. No-one.

[thenry]

How will WWIII kick off? Don't leaders of opposition stay at home and send troops? The last I saw Trump turned up to confrontation and buried the conflict. I'm thinking North Korea as one example. It's unfair to say a war will kick off. Trump went against calls for him not to go to North Korea.

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

'Donald Trump has strongly indicated or stated that he would not defend ‘delinquent’ Nato allies, Ukraine or Taiwan against aggression, sees international commitments mainly as a financial drain and would like to reduce America’s overseas military deployments.'

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but as a NATO member, isn't that what POTUS, i.e. America, is supposed to do? Isn't that what NATO is all about: mutual defence?

A commitment is a commitment. At least it is if you're an adult.

Is it just me, or does WWIII sound more likely now? We already have a graphic picture of just how badly the UK will be affected from Threads. Contrary to what I think Trump believes, just like that guy in By Dawn's Early Light, who was a very poor choice of President, no-one can win a nuclear war. No-one.

No, I do not think a nuclear war is significantly more likely. Russia may well feel emboldened to pursue maximalist aims in Ukraine but in doing so over the past 2 years it has had its military capability smashed. It can talk about threatening the Baltics or Poland but it will be years before it could hope to actually do anything.

Even without any American involvement at all, attacking an allied nation in Europe is a wholly different proposition than going after Ukraine or Georgia.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Chris

He was criminally convicted by a jury. End of.

Yeah like a jury NEVER it wrong do they