President Trump 2.0

[1andrew1]

Thank goodness the US is getting a Republican administration. Now we can crack on with signing that trade deal which Biden's been withholding from us.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s incredibly embarrassing for the Democrats to lose the popular vote. A message that simply didn’t resonate with the voters they needed to get off the couch. Millions of voters who went for Biden in 2020 didn’t bother for Harris in 2024.

Is there a lower turnout this time? Was it a case of not voting or did they vote for Trump instead? There's 5 million voting gap.

[Mr K]

At least we don't live there, and are safe in our socialist paradise

[Anonymouse]

Isn't he a convicted felon?

Heinlein was right, just at the wrong time - America is in the Crazy Years now. Next thing you know, the equivalent of Nehemiah Scudder will be in there.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Damien

It'll be interesting to see what the Democrats do now.

I know what they will do. All her supporters will now ask her if she's ok One by one should kill some time and take the edge off her legitimate claim to office. Oh what a perfect human being you are Kamala Harris. We are all the bad ones that supported Trump. Don't change who you are. Let's see how far it gets you.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by thenry

I know what they will do. All her supporters will now ask her if she's ok One by one should kill some time and take the edge off her legitimate claim to office. Oh what a perfect human being you are Kamala Harris. We are all the bad ones that supported Trump. Don't change who you are. Let's see how far it gets you.

Yea but where the hell is she?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Well, indeed, it would seem the “polls” did another bang up job! Had us all fooled.

It’s not even going to close.

I’m now looking forward to seeing Trump, not do, what all the hysterical people with TDS say he was going to do.

It’s a great day for democracy.

The polls were scattered all over the place, which happens when the race is close - and it has been close. As of right now Trump’s sitting on 51.1% - yes, he’s comfortably taken the electoral college but the final tally of EC votes will flatter him.

I’m not going to lie, I’m disappointed in America and the large number of Americans who have been willing to overlook far too much. He’s a convict, a rapist, a con man and a mysoginist. I’m especially disappointed in the great swathes of Evangelical so-called Christians who have been willing to overlook his character in pursuit of one or two policies he is personally only lukewarm about.

I *hope* you’re right, and he spends the next 4 years not doing all the things he threatened to do. I *hope* it was all just a pantomime act to get votes. But at this point I’m not convinced.

And on that point, the Ukraine war isn’t going to end just because Trump said he’d end it. Ukraine, and the whole of Esastern Europe, is about to get a whole lot more dangerous because Putin *believes* he has Trump in his pocket and that will embolden him. Though right now I’m angrier at the Biden admin that has constantly spoken warm words about Ukraine while only ever doing just enough to prevent it from collapsing.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Isn't he a convicted felon?

Heinlein was right, just at the wrong time - America is in the Crazy Years now. Next thing you know, the equivalent of Nehemiah Scudder will be in there.

What is said to be flimsy evidence on misdemeanours that were outside the statue of limitations. Completely bogus charges.

Originally Posted by nomadking

What is said to be flimsy evidence on misdemeanours that were outside the statue of limitations. Completely bogus charges.

No - he is civilly liable for sexual assault due to the statute of limitations on criminal charges in that case. But he is a convicted felon (criminal) on 34 charges of falsifying business records arising from his failed attempt to cover up hush-money payments to a porn star. There was nothing bogus or flimsy in any of that.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

No - he is civilly liable for sexual assault due to the statute of limitations on criminal charges in that case. But he is a convicted felon (criminal) on 34 charges of falsifying business records arising from his failed attempt to cover up hush-money payments to a porn star. There was noting bogus or flimsy in any of that.

The Business records thing were all misdemeanours that were outside of the statute of limitations. No charges legally allowed. Since when has extortion and blackmail been legalised?
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convicted on all 34 flimsy counts of 'falsifying business records.'
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Never in American history has anyone ever been prosecuted for – as Trump's defense argued was the case – erroneous bookkeeping made by a company underling who failed to disclose the payment of 'hush money'.
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So Bragg went a dangerous step further than Stalin ever did: he made up a crime.
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In his closing instructions, Judge Juan Merchan exposed his already apparent bias once more – telling the jurors that they didn't actually have to agree on the specifics of Trump's unlawful behavior.
How could someone defend themselves against such vague allegations?

Originally Posted by nomadking

The Business records thing were all misdemeanours that were outside of the statute of limitations. No charges legally allowed. Since when has extortion and blackmail been legalised?
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He was criminally convicted by a jury. End of.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Is there a lower turnout this time? Was it a case of not voting or did they vote for Trump instead? There's 5 million voting gap.

I’d lean more chose to not vote than switch. I think turnout will also be down some votes still outstanding but not tens of millions or anything.

They didn't want a woman as president.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy

They didn't want a woman as president.

Not that one

Title changed

We might start a new thread as we get into the transition stuff but for now this one is suited for the aftermath of last night.