General : TV360 - pro and cons

[japitts]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The missing features compared with the V6 are only minor, and there other other features on the 360 that in my opinion are better and more useful.

Whether the missing features are minor, depends whether you use them or not. If you actively use some of the TiVo-specific features, then they're going to be pretty major to you.

Pros & cons both ways.

[vincerooney]

Originally Posted by japitts

Whether the missing features are minor, depends whether you use them or not. If you actively use some of the TiVo-specific features, then they're going to be pretty major to you.

Pros & cons both ways.

i can't think of anything "missing" from the 360. People name certain tasks but they can be done on the 360 they're just called something else in my opinion

[ozsat]

I had quite a few specific wishlists set on the V6.
One for example was to record LIVE FOOTBALL from ANY CHANNEL where one of the teams is MANCHESTER UNITED.
Another would record any programme from any channel where OXFORD would appear in the title or synopsis.
How are those done on a 360 as a enter once only command?

Originally Posted by vincerooney

i can't think of anything "missing" from the 360. People name certain tasks but they can be done on the 360 they're just called something else in my opinion

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

i can't think of anything "missing" from the 360. People name certain tasks but they can be done on the 360 they're just called something else in my opinion

Can the 360 do these?

• Wishlists
• undelete
• series link+
• series link manager
• suggestions
• skip-back on fast-forward
• quickview
• default recording options
• cancelling individual recordings from a series link
• multi-channel series links
• allowing recording of radio
• separation of recordings between boxes
• watching recordings when internet is not available

[Kevc69]

I miss many of those. VM have a lot to answer for when they started pushing the 360 out as an upgrade on renewal. People weren't told what the 360 couldn't do.

[japitts]

Originally Posted by Kevc69

I miss many of those. VM have a lot to answer for when they started pushing the 360 out as an upgrade on renewal. People weren't told what the 360 couldn't do.

In fairness, there's an element of "buyer beware" about this - you wouldn't expect Microsoft to point out every deficiency of W11 cf W10, so why should VM point out TV360's differences V6... in other words, standard marketing rules apply.

That said, the incessant reference to "upgrade" grates. For some people, yes it's an upgrade. For some people, it's very far from that. For everyone, it's a conversion or migration.

I get why VM use the terminology.

[Kevc69]

At the time I got offerred it I'd never heard of the 360 nor for that matter was I aware of this forum. Difficult to question sales people with minimal knowledge although after the debacle when the tivo came out I should have known better.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by vincerooney

i can't think of anything "missing" from the 360. People name certain tasks but they can be done on the 360 they're just called something else in my opinion

I asked Old Boy to tell me what the alternative names for the things that people could do with a V6 were, perhaps you could help?

Mr K has provided a list that seems to cover everything.

If you're correct and it can do everything that the V6 could under a different name i'd get one tomorrow as, being partially sighted now, the voice command facility would be really useful for me.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Can the 360 do these?

• Wishlists
• undelete
• series link+
• series link manager
• suggestions
• skip-back on fast-forward
• quickview
• default recording options
• cancelling individual recordings from a series link
• multi-channel series links
• allowing recording of radio
• separation of recordings between boxes
• watching recordings when internet is not available

In response to your question about whether the 360 has the following features that are available on the V6, the answers are as follows:

* Wishlists - Not unless the programme is currently scheduled or available on demand.
* undelete - No, but streaming alternatives are normally available if you delete something accidentally.
* series link+ - No, you cannot select a programme that is not currently listed or on demand.
* series link manager - You can click on programme details and select ‘delete series link’. You can also delete all recordings on your box with a touch of a button in ‘Settings’
* suggestions - Yes, displayed on tiles on Home Screen (‘Recommended for you’) instead of on a list
* skip-back on fast-forward - No
* quickview - No
* default recording options - No, but you can alter start and finish times for your recordings, choose which box to record on and decide how many recordings to keep in the series.
* cancelling individual recordings from a series link - Yes. Just select the episode you want deleted and they will delete without interfering with other programmes in the link.
* multi-channel series links - No
* allowing recording of radio - No, but some BBC programmes previously broadcast can be available via BBC Sounds.
* separation of recordings between boxes - No - all recordings made are available on both boxes.
* watching recordings when internet is not available - No

Against that, the 360 has the following features that are not available on the V6:

*Restart live TV
*Creation of profiles
*Voice control
*Switch from watching on TV to app
*Uncluttered UI so you can find functions more easily
*Automatic start of all recordings two minutes before programme scheduled
*Podcasts
*Enlarged TV Guide available
*A prompt to delete a recording when watched
*When using TV On Demand, a prompt to move immediately to next episode appears.
*More streamers available including Paramount+ and AppleTV+.

So people who are considering whether to stick with the V6 or change to the 360 can take their pick. Personally, I am glad I made the change.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

In response to your question about whether the 360 has the following features that are available on the V6, the answers are as follows:

* Wishlists - Not unless the programme is currently scheduled or available on demand.
* undelete - No, but streaming alternatives are normally available if you delete something accidentally.
* series link+ - No, you cannot select a programme that is not currently listed or on demand.
* series link manager - You can click on programme details and select ‘delete series link’. You can also delete all recordings on your box with a touch of a button in ‘Settings’
* suggestions - Yes, displayed on tiles on Home Screen (‘Recommended for you’) instead of on a list
* skip-back on fast-forward - No
* quickview - No
* default recording options - No, but you can alter start and finish times for your recordings, choose which box to record on and decide how many recordings to keep in the series.
* cancelling individual recordings from a series link - Yes. Just select the episode you want deleted and they will delete without interfering with other programmes in the link.
* multi-channel series links - No
* allowing recording of radio - No, but some BBC programmes previously broadcast can be available via BBC Sounds.
* separation of recordings between boxes - No - all recordings made are available on both boxes.
* watching recordings when internet is not available - No

Against that, the 360 has the following features that are not available on the V6:

*Restart live TV
*Creation of profiles
*Voice control
*Switch from watching on TV to app
*Uncluttered UI so you can find functions more easily
*Automatic start of all recordings two minutes before programme scheduled
*Podcasts
*Enlarged TV Guide available
*A prompt to delete a recording when watched
*When using TV On Demand, a prompt to move immediately to next episode appears.
*More streamers available including Paramount+ and AppleTV+.

So people who are considering whether to stick with the V6 or change to the 360 can take their pick. Personally, I am glad I made the change.

Thank you, that's very informative

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Thank you, that's very informative

Question. What's the difference between restart live tv and pausing it ?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Question. What's the difference between restart live tv and pausing it ?

Restart means it goes back to the beginning of the programme* and pause, well, pauses it until you want it to start again.

* You can do this with the BBC iPlayer, not sure about the other catch up services.

You can also do it with the TiVo and the V6 if one of the tuners is set to the channel with the programme that you want to watch.

Does anyone know how the 360 does this? Is it similar to how you can sometimes do it with the V6, or does it obtain the first part from the iPlayer?

[japitts]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Against that, the 360 has the following features that are not available on the V6:

*Restart live TV
*Creation of profiles
*Voice control
*Switch from watching on TV to app
*Uncluttered UI so you can find functions more easily
*Automatic start of all recordings two minutes before programme scheduled
*Podcasts
*Enlarged TV Guide available
*A prompt to delete a recording when watched
*When using TV On Demand, a prompt to move immediately to next episode appears.
*More streamers available including Paramount+ and AppleTV+.

So people who are considering whether to stick with the V6 or change to the 360 can take their pick. Personally, I am glad I made the change.

That is a fair comparison, but on a couple of the points..
> Voice control. Indeed so. The V6 has one-key jumps between recordings & live TV, the TV360 has either voice-control or 7keys.
> Automatic padding added to recordings. The V6 allows you to alter your padding defaults to what you choose. Two minutes before is one of the options.
> VOD moving to the next episode when one has finished. V6 has this, but presumably TV360 prompts you sooner hence the "immediately" comment.
> Restart live TV is a fair one - V6 will give you menu-driven access to alternate showings or VoD assets. A "different" approach.

[Mr K]

Mmm. I'll stick with the V6, and if forced onto 360, will not renew my contract. Not for me and lots of customers by the sound of it. VM really need to do their market research before designing boxes/software. This was mostly about saving money on the Tivo licence. Could be a false economy given their ever declining customer base.

[epsilon]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Restart means it goes back to the beginning of the programme* and pause, well, pauses it until you want it to start again.

* You can do this with the BBC iPlayer, not sure about the other catch up services.

You can also do it with the TiVo and the V6 if one of the tuners is set to the channel with the programme that you want to watch.

Does anyone know how the 360 does this? Is it similar to how you can sometimes do it with the V6, or does it obtain the first part from the iPlayer?

You can do this with most other players but it is platform dependent. If the lack of apps on the V6 has pushed a customer to the Roku, they will have similar functions. Freely TV users will also have this function for main PSB channels (not +1s) and for the main 4 UKTV channels. Basically, it just involves having an IP stream running alongside the main services with the ability to switch to the IP stream. As we found with the FAST channels, the V6 can't currently switch to IP streams without going through a red button portal.