Disability vouchers instead of cash

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Stephen

That is not how 99% of people would react though. It is only you that seems to want to report folk and turn everything back to discrimination.

Also committing an assault versus refusing to help someone is not the same or similar at all.

Most people tend to be kind and helpful towards disabled people, it's the ones that aren't that are the problem.

As I have already explained, most people are horrified when it's pointed out that they are being offensive. They immediately apologise and make amends.

The law is there to deal with those who carry on being offensive on purpose or who do it out of malice.

Most issues are resolved by having a word with the offenders (in fact, any resultant court case will expect the aggrieved person to have tried to sort things out informally first).

Legal action is considered as a last resort solution, so it's imperative that anyone experiencing discrimination, less favourable treatment, failure to make adjustments etc keeps records and evidence in case things cannot be resolved amicably.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Most people tend to be kind and helpful towards disabled people, it's the ones that aren't that are the problem.

As I have already explained, most people are horrified when it's pointed out that they are being offensive. They immediately apologise and make amends.

The law is there to deal with those who carry on being offensive on purpose or who do it out of malice.

Most issues are resolved by having a word with the offenders (in fact, any resultant court case will expect the aggrieved person to have tried to sort things out informally first).

Legal action is considered as a last resort solution, so it's imperative that anyone experiencing discrimination, less favourable treatment, failure to make adjustments etc keeps records and evidence in case things cannot be resolved amicably.

So IF I'd say I don't believe that you have a brain injury and you're just an ass. And I keep saying you're ass isn't something you can do anything about. I have no proof of your injury, just your word which doesn't mean jack sheet to me. So how does that work out in this instance??

As far as I'm aware no one goes out of their way to be unkind towards someone just because they're disabled. They're unkind because of something else.

You do have issues based around the legality of things, it's like an unhealthy obsession. Like you go looking for it and use it to your own advantage.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Most people tend to be kind and helpful towards disabled people, it's the ones that aren't that are the problem.

As I have already explained, most people are horrified when it's pointed out that they are being offensive. They immediately apologise and make amends.

The law is there to deal with those who carry on being offensive on purpose or who do it out of malice.

Most issues are resolved by having a word with the offenders (in fact, any resultant court case will expect the aggrieved person to have tried to sort things out informally first).

Legal action is considered as a last resort solution, so it's imperative that anyone experiencing discrimination, less favourable treatment, failure to make adjustments etc keeps records and evidence in case things cannot be resolved amicably.

As I stated most people aren't out to cause upset to anyone. They may simply not understand someone's predicament or how a certain illness affects them. Especially if it's not physical.

You can't be looking to report everyone and take legal action because someone says something unkind.there really is no reason for formal or informal action against every random person in the street. In the workplace of course it would be different.

You do seem to go looking for reasons to annoy and aggravate people.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Stephen

As I stated most people aren't out to cause upset to anyone. They may simply not understand someone's predicament or how a certain illness affects them. Especially if it's not physical.

You can't be looking to report everyone and take legal action because someone says something unkind.there really is no reason for formal or informal action against every random person in the street. In the workplace of course it would be different.

You do seem to go looking for reasons to annoy and aggravate people.

This has already been covered in our discussion thus far, I don't propose to repeat myself ad infinitum. Do you think our discussion is off topic?

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Originally Posted by peanut

So IF I'd say I don't believe that you have a brain injury and you're just an ass. And I keep saying you're ass isn't something you can do anything about. I have no proof of your injury, just your word which doesn't mean jack sheet to me. So how does that work out in this instance??

As far as I'm aware no one goes out of their way to be unkind towards someone just because they're disabled. They're unkind because of something else.

You do have issues based around the legality of things, it's like an unhealthy obsession. Like you go looking for it and use it to your own advantage.

You are now just being deliberately offensive, so I'm closing our discussion about this.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

You are now just being deliberately offensive, so I'm closing our discussion about this.

In what way am I being deliberately offensive? It seems you just don't want to answer questions.

[Anonymouse]

Well, according to this, the voucher scheme is scrapped. Hah! Sense at last!

Now if they can just see their way towards making fit notes inviolable again...

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Well, according to this, the voucher scheme is scrapped. Hah! Sense at last!

Now if they can just see their way towards making fit notes inviolable again...

Well if you're fat, you'll get jabs and put to work. And if you have really serious mental health problems then you'd get job coaches even when you're hospitalised.

No doubt if you're bed ridden, they'll get one with wheels on so they'll be no excuse.

Sounds like no matter what disability or illness you have they're coming for us/you.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by peanut

Sounds like no matter what disability or illness you have they're coming for us/you.

Disabled friends of our twins have been contacted by DWP with a view to getting them WFH jobs. They are in the group of ESA that doesn't require looking for work... YET!

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Taf

Disabled friends of our twins have been contacted by DWP with a view to getting them WFH jobs. They are in the group of ESA that doesn't require looking for work... YET!

I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I've always said that will not be a burden to my wife. This kind of thing is could well be a grim reality to many.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by peanut

I'm sure I'm not the only one, but I've always said that will not be a burden to my wife

After watching a TV programme on the subject, the missus said she would hate me for the rest of her life if I became a burden to her and committed suicide. In the programme they interviewed several people who's partners or children committed suicide to stop being a burden. They were all of the same mindset. Suicide leaves others in despair and pain.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Taf

After watching a TV programme on the subject, the missus said she would hate me for the rest of her life if I became a burden to her and committed suicide. In the programme they interviewed several people who's partners or children committed suicide to stop being a burden. They were all of the same mindset. Suicide leaves others in despair and pain.

I can't argue with that at all. But it's something we've both discussed at great length. My wife knows and understands our situation fully. I make no bones about it as it is something that I live with every day. Those that need to know already knows such as my GP and counsellors etc.

[peanut]

I feel a little compelled to expand on my post above due to the nature of the post itself. A couple of sentences doesn’t quite say much or give any kind of explanation.

As I said, I agree with Taf, but agreeing doesn’t mean I just agree, there is no one size fits all. I fully understand his point, it doesn’t mean it is right or wrong. What is right or wrong? Who decides?

Firstly if anyone is struggling is to get help by whatever means possible. I am only speaking on my own behalf here and maybe give an insight to how or why suicide is an option. But coming from someone who lives a life who prides themselves with logic and common sense I have to say when it comes to suicide there is no logic, nor common sense as it doesn’t apply. With mental health / health issues contradiction seems to be a huge part where all logic etc goes out of the window.

I feel like I live a double life. On one hand I can be happy, even though I don't experience pleasure. I can laugh at jokes, and I can say without doubt I’m a glass half full type of person. I am a total optimist and try to see the best in everything. Yet on the other hand I wake up every day knowing that I don’t want to live, and I go to bed thinking the same. To the point I do actually ‘crave’ ending my life. Anyone would say that’s extreme and I don’t expect anyone to understand it either. It is something I will have to live with and will not go away.

I said I will not be a burden to my wife. I know I already am to quite an extent. Maybe I should have expanded to say financially, but even then that’s not 100% the true either. It’s more about feeling of being more of a burden than I already am and to a point where I decide enough is enough. But again that’s not the whole reason either.

To live with suicidal ideation is also a coping mechanism. It gives control over something that is or can be too hard to understand, live with or comprehend. It also gives me choice. Therefore it can allow me to choose and push onwards knowing I do have that choice. It helps.

I does rile me when people say suicide is a selfish act. It can be, I’m not questioning everyone or their own reasons again if you feel this way seek help where you can. Why can’t it also seen as the most selfless act someone can do? Could it be selfish of those that don’t understand? Those left behind do have to pick up to pieces so to speak, and some do have to live with no understanding to why. I do feel it is a sad part of it and one that is cruel and hard for those left behind to live with. I would not wish this on anyone. I’ve chosen to speak up about it and be honest in the way I feel so there are no doubts or stones unturned even though it is hard and unpleasant in so many ways.

Sometimes you hear why didn’t so and so speak up or talk to me… If only that’s true but it isn’t. The hardest thing to do is to talk to someone. If you can then great, it can help, but to most it wouldn’t matter anyway. But more often the case is who will actually listen. Who asks how I am, who cares? It’s not like it matters anyway. If you ask and I say I’m fine when you know I’m not that tends to be acceptable and I agree it’s not easy or right but just the way things are. There are so many different factors. The fear of not being understood, or just the fear of a person to just say yeah I know what it’s like I feel like that sometimes is so way off the mark, you already know the person just can’t comprehend or help. So you end up with the fear of any answers so you will avoid going there. Or to cause upset, one way or another. Again, not that talking will change anything anyway to some. Again it's just not that straight forward.

For the benefit of doubt. I’ve had plenty of therapy and counseling. To the point where I’ve been told I do not have a mental health issue, because of everything I’ve been through, going through and will go through so what I’m ‘feeling’ is ‘normal’ and if I didn’t feel the way I do then I would have a mental health issue. = Crazy but that’s how it is. In the end I did manage to get a diagnosis but it was a hard fought battle. To the extent to how and what I feel is 'acceptable'.

I don’t expect anyone to understand fully. I just wanted to expand the subject in a way that I hope it helps a little maybe.

Blimey, we'll that's my longest post, lol. And sorry if I ranted on a bit too.

[peanut]

Rachel Reeves will seek to make around £3bn of cuts to welfare over the next four years by restricting access to sickness benefits.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-conservatives

Not quite sure exactly what that means as yet. From the sounds of it more like moving the eligibility goalposts a little further maybe.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by peanut

Rachel Reeves will seek to make around £3bn of cuts to welfare over the next four years by restricting access to sickness benefits.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-conservatives

Not quite sure exactly what that means as yet. From the sounds of it more like moving the eligibility goalposts a little further maybe.

One will know soon enough when the budget arrives in 9 days but l concur with much of your thinking.