Starmer’s chronicles

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Kursk

I would have expected someone from Government to quickly provide information and reassurance. When there's a crisis, I expect overt leadership from a trusted source. Remember, this is a tech forum; people here are switched on to what is happening and what needs to be done next. There are many people who use the internet for all sorts of things but they are not necessarily able to cope with IT issues like the techie wizz kids. The issue was too big to leave to word of mouth imho.

Glad you liked the rest of the post though

CSF is a tool sold only to businesses , there isn’t a version for your average home user to buy…. So completely unsure as to what your point is ?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Yes, well we know all about this forum's take on Moral v Lawful.

But thanks for the list, I'll tick them off, as and when they happen.........as I'm sure they will.

Pretty sure all the sexual assaults, rapes, sexual harrassment, watching porn in the HoC, groping men and women against their will, getting a donor’s planning permission, "IT lessons", etc. weren’t very moral…

[Escapee]

I thought this interview was very funny around 2:30 in, when the presenter is asking about the clothing deliberately being declared as office expenses. The response from the Labour MP is laughable when he responds by asking if the interviewer is suggesting the prime minister declared something as one thing when it's another. The Labour MP reminds me of how deluded and unconvincing Jonathan Ashworth always was when trying to defend the indefensible. Perhaps this MP is their Ashworth replacement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8dQaK-qdUo

Labour are certainly off to a damn good start if the competition is to see who can be the most morally corrupt government, if they carry on at the current rate they will surpass the Conservatives within 12 months.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Escapee

I thought this interview was very funny around 2:30 in, when the presenter is asking about the clothing deliberately being declared as office expenses. The response from the Labour MP is laughable when he responds by asking if the interviewer is suggesting the prime minister declared something as one thing when it's another. The Labour MP reminds me of how deluded and unconvincing Jonathan Ashworth always was when trying to defend the indefensible. Perhaps this MP is their Ashworth replacement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8dQaK-qdUo

Labour are certainly off to a damn good start if the competition is to see who can be the most morally corrupt government, if they carry on at the current rate they will surpass the Conservatives within 12 months.

If you actually believe that i'd refresh your selective memory and have a gander at Hugh and the Daddys full but by no means exhaustive list of the impressive array and variety of Tory shenanigans.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by daveeb

If you actually believe that i'd refresh your selective memory and have a gander at Hugh and the Daddys full but by no means exhaustive list of the impressive array and variety of Tory shenanigans.

The tory's had 14 years to clock up their sins labour have only been in power 93 days and they're on target to break all records

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Pretty sure all the sexual assaults, rapes, sexual harrassment, watching porn in the HoC, groping men and women against their will, getting a donor’s planning permission, "IT lessons", etc. weren’t very moral…

I’m not sure what point you’re making?

Are you suggesting that because of the sins of the Tory past, Labour get a free pass at everything?

Weird position to take, but if you’re happy with it.

Like mentioned elsewhere, 93 days v 14 years. I’m sure they’re just getting started.

As I said hopefully the fact Parliament is back, a budget is coming and they've changed the operations in No 10 can get things on track.

Most things so far are recoverable. I would like Labour to change the rules on donations in response so all MPs have much higher restrictions on what they can accept.

Other than let's get some government going. Implement policy and start sorting stuff out. The country is in a mess and if they can't sort it and have the same kind of incompetence and sleeze we've had for the last few years then I am seriously worried how we ever turn this around.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

CSF is a tool sold only to businesses , there isn’t a version for your average home user to buy…. So completely unsure as to what your point is ?

There was a wider impact:

"Thousands of flights have been cancelled, with banking, healthcare and payment systems all affected

In the UK, GPs have been struggling to access records, pharmacies have been hit and TV channels knocked off air"

Some prompt Government information was appropriate in my view.

My concern is how the current Government performs.

My hope was that Labour had changed since the hypocritical days when Tony Blair, Harriet Harman and Dianne Abbot sent their kids to private schools whilst denying the same choices to the riff-raff.

Labour are in government. They have made a terrible start. The future looks bleak unless they sort themselves out.

Originally Posted by Kursk

Some prompt Government information was appropriate in my view.

What information exactly ?

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’m not sure what point you’re making?

Are you suggesting that because of the sins of the Tory past, Labour get a free pass at everything?

Weird position to take, but if you’re happy with it.

Like mentioned elsewhere, 93 days v 14 years. I’m sure they’re just getting started.

No - if Labour descend to the depths of sleaze and corruption of the last 14 years of the Tories, I will be in the queue to condemn them.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Kursk

There was a wider impact:



Some prompt Government information was appropriate in my view.

My concern is how the current Government performs.

My hope was that Labour had changed since the hypocritical days when Tony Blair, Harriet Harman and Dianne Abbot sent their kids to private schools whilst denying the same choices to the riff-raff.

Labour are in government. They have made a terrible start. The future looks bleak unless they sort themselves out.

I know only too well the impact that this had…. The cause was identified and remediated by approx 05:30

The failure of businesses to deploy teams to recover (and tbh it was a very simple recovery process) is not the failure of the government

I think you tarnish some of your other points made with this piece

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

No - if Labour descend to the depths of sleaze and corruption of the last 14 years of the Tories, I will be in the queue to condemn them.

Why do they have to match the Tories before you condemn them?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Why do they have to match the Tories before you condemn them?

Your casuistry and sophistry do you no favours…

Descent is a journey, not an ending - for clarification, if the Labour Government appears to be on a similar path as occurred over the last fourteen years, I will be condemning them.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Your casuistry and sophistry do you no favours…

Descent is a journey, not an ending - for clarification, if the Labour Government appears to be on a similar path as occurred over the last fourteen years, I will be condemning them.

I look forward to it, they’ve got off to a great start to their journey.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Paul

What information exactly ?

"Thousands of flights have been cancelled, with banking, healthcare and payment systems all affected

In the UK, GPs have been struggling to access records, pharmacies have been hit and TV channels knocked off air"

Something based on the above with a smattering of leadership & reassurance for the millions who might not know what was going on?

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I know only too well the impact that this had…. The cause was identified and remediated by approx 05:30

The failure of businesses to deploy teams to recover (and tbh it was a very simple recovery process) is not the failure of the government

I think you tarnish some of your other points made with this piece

I realise you were involved in the rectification process; perhaps this gives the issue greater prominence to you but let's not fixate: there are plenty of other Labour 'achievements' in the list. I didn't say that the failure of businesses was a failure of the Government - my view is the Government just hid away from the crisis (which resulted in huge business losses to the tune of £bns so I understand).