Uk Riots and Protests (2024)

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

What happens to them when the backlog is cleared ?

I would assume the same as anyone else who works on projects - seek another job somewhere, retire, take time out. The Conservatives built up a substantial and costly backlog and once that's tackled they won't all be needed.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

What happens to them when the backlog is cleared ?

The staff or the asylum seekers?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Stephen

The staff or the asylum seekers?

The asylum seekers, mainly the failed asylum seekers.

[1andrew1]

Migration looks to be on its way down.

Net migration hit an all-time high of 764,000 in 2022, higher than the 745,000 first estimated by the Office for National Statistics, and inflows remained well above historical averages at 685,000 last year.

Oxford university’s Migration Observatory estimates that net migration will continue to drop considerably in the next five years to about 350,000 by 2030, driven in part by more people leaving Britain, declines in the number of overseas students arriving in the UK, and a fall in private sector vacancies.

https://www.ft.com/content/985fb7ee-...7-3362f64fbf5e

[jfman]

Interesting that the solution isn’t to deal with deprivation?

Keep the two child benefit cap
End winter fuel payments
No magic money tree

Saving up problems for the next riot.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

Interesting that the solution isn’t to deal with deprivation?

Keep the two child benefit cap
End winter fuel payments
No magic money tree

Saving up problems for the next riot.

I'm sure that the two-child benefit cap will be ended by the time that Starmer has completed his first term. I suspect he's afraid of being portrayed by the media as spend thrift.

I don't think the winter fuel payments are being ended totally - just limited to the poorer in society.

Starmer seems to have bought into the belief of trying to make the whole country richer so everyone is better off and not tying to distribute the wealth more equally. How long this approach will last remains to be seen.

The thing I'm most encouraged about is the appointment of James Timpson as Prisons Minister. If we can get offenders back into work their chances of re-offending are substantially reduced and the state won't need to pay them to not work.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by jfman

Interesting that the solution isn’t to deal with deprivation?

Keep the two child benefit cap
End winter fuel payments
No magic money tree

Saving up problems for the next riot.

Yes them pensioners can be viscious.

No money tree but there is tax and a lot of obscenely rich people and property. Time to do some proper 'leveling up', we're 'all in this together' after all.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting but not unexpected. Labour's policy of not using asylum hotels should ease this as should its recruitment of 1,000 staff to clear the backlog of asylum applications.


https://www.ft.com/content/c8317b53-...7-59f9ac9267c9

House them in Chipping Norton, I want to see how posh people riot.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Migration looks to be on its way down.

https://www.ft.com/content/985fb7ee-...7-3362f64fbf5e

That’s very much like celebrating when inflation falls from 20% to 19%.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

House them in Chipping Norton, I want to see how posh people riot.

That's more realistic than leaving the ECHR.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s very much like celebrating when inflation falls from 20% to 19%.

Net immigration of 350,000 by 2030 will be less than half 2022's figure of 764,000.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That's more realistic than leaving the ECHR.

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Net immigration of 350,000 by 2030 will be less than half 2022's figure of 764,000.

If it’s all the same to you I’ll treat any prediction (based on recent decades) with a King Kong sized pinch of salt.

And, like I say, immigration still goes up year on year. Even if they reach their target that only moving it from 2x population of Coventry arriving each year ( more than that obviously minus leavers) to 1x the population of Coventry. Every year.

Are we going to build 10 new cities, in 6 years to accommodate them.

The ONS defines any urban conurbation with more that 244,000 inhabitants as a city.

We’re importing “cities” on an annual basis.

Forget Net Zero, Net immigration needs to be Zero by 2030.

[Stephen]

Immigration does not need to be zero at all. People move here from other countries and get jobs etc. Mostly the jobs that many Brits don't want to do.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Immigration does not need to be zero at all.

We don’t need the numbers currently coming in, and I didn’t say “ Zero” I said - Net Zero.

In 2023 523,000 people left the U.K. that would mean 523,000……more than enough…….could enter the U.K.

People move here from other countries and get jobs etc.

Fine, if there’s a specific skill/ trade we need.

Mostly the jobs that many Brits don't want to do.

I could be wrong, but somehow I don’t see those young African and Middle Eastern men of fighting age coming over here with the goal of giving your granny a bed bath.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Pierre

We don’t need the numbers currently coming in, and I didn’t say “ Zero” I said - Net Zero.

In 2023 523,000 people left the U.K. that would mean 523,000……more than enough…….could enter the U.K.



Fine, if there’s a specific skill/ trade we need.



I could be wrong, but somehow I don’t see those young African and Middle Eastern men of fighting age coming over here with the goal of giving your granny a bed bath.

Have you even stepped foot in any care homes in the past 5 years? You would be surprised how many African men and women are working in them, same goes for nursing and maintenance/cleaners in hospitals.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Have you even stepped foot in any care homes in the past 5 years? You would be surprised how many African men and women are working in them, same goes for nursing and maintenance/cleaners in hospitals.

Then imagine how many British jobs there would be if the wages weren’t undercut by immigrants.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Then imagine how many British jobs there would be if the wages weren’t undercut by immigrants.

Total rubbish. The wages are set by the market i.e. the business owner not the applicant. Those knuckle draggers who were "protesting about immigration" can equally apply for these jobs and yet strangely they prefer to remain on the dole.

Low wages are not the fault of the immigrants. The blame lies with the employers who seek to exploit them.