Uk Riots and Protests (2024)

[Pierre]

I said the Starmer honeymoon would be short.

A large proportion of those “far right” thugs, probably voted Labour, or are from communities that were historically Labour.

And Starmer derides and vilifies them, when it’s the political class of the last 30yrs that have created the conditions for this.

Much in the same way the miners rioted against Thatcher for destroying their industry, communities and livelihoods, the second generation from those same communities are rioting again because their communities and prospects are again being destroyed by politicians.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I said the Starmer honeymoon would be short.

A large proportion of those “far right” thugs, probably voted Labour, or are from communities that were historically Labour.

And Starmer derides and vilifies them, when it’s the political class of the last 30yrs that have created the conditions for this.

I am not sure if these people voted Labour. I am doubtful they vote at all. But if you're burning down libraries, burning hotels with immigrants in them and dragging anyone who isn't white out of cars to beat them up I am not sure what about Labour's platform appealed to them.

And Starmer is right to vilify them. They're violent thugs. They do not represent the right, they don't represent the working class, and they don't represent people concerned with immigration.

Most Labour, Conservative and Reform voters will want these people dealt with strongly and support the police in doing so.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I said the Starmer honeymoon would be short.

A large proportion of those “far right” thugs, probably voted Labour, or are from communities that were historically Labour.

And Starmer derides and vilifies them, when it’s the political class of the last 30yrs that have created the conditions for this.

Much in the same way the miners rioted against Thatcher for destroying their industry, communities and livelihoods, the second generation from those same communities are rioting again because their communities and prospects are again being destroyed by politicians.

Oh those miner strikes. I took part in miners strikes and marches when John Major was PM. Dad worked in the unions so we went with them to London, got a photo of a very young me (8-9)holding a sign stating Majors job, not miners jobs.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am not sure if these people voted Labour. I am doubtful they vote at all. But if you're burning down libraries, burning hotels with immigrants in them and dragging anyone who isn't white out of cars to beat them up I am not sure what about Labour's platform appealed to them.

And Starmer is right to vilify them. They're violent thugs. They do not represent the right, they don't represent the working class, and they don't represent people concerned with immigration.

Most Labour, Conservative and Reform voters will want these people dealt with strongly and support the police in doing so.

They do represent people that the system has failed, though. They not only represent them they are people the system, and overarching political and economic consensus, has failed.

There's only so many times different politicians can dog whistle before the dog bites. Sure, we can all caricature Farage. But Conservative and Labour politicians have governed with the same dog whistle and broken promises along the way.

Starmer had a choice going into this election of embracing the dog whistle. He did and kicked out some left wing candidates to prove his centrist consensus credentials. To the glee of the talking heads.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am not sure if these people voted Labour. I am doubtful they vote at all. But if you're burning down libraries, burning hotels with immigrants in them and dragging anyone who isn't white out of cars to beat them up I am not sure what about Labour's platform appealed to them.

And Starmer is right to vilify them. They're violent thugs. They do not represent the right, they don't represent the working class, and they don't represent people concerned with immigration.

Most Labour, Conservative and Reform voters will want these people dealt with strongly and support the police in doing so.

Some of them are violent thugs.

But there are violent thugs every where on all sides.

https://x.com/perky_43/status/1819842707717820877?s=61

https://x.com/jamiebrysoncpni/status...397918419?s=61

https://x.com/steve_laws_/status/182...790166245?s=61

That’s not to justify what’s going on in anyway, I just want “all” mobs that take to the streets dealt with….all of them.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Oh those miner strikes. I took part in miners strikes and marches when John Major was PM. Dad worked in the unions so we went with them to London, got a photo of a very young me (8-9)holding a sign stating Majors job, not miners jobs.

Not all miners protests were violent, I know that….some were, some weren’t….doesn’t change the point.

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Originally Posted by jfman

They not only represent them they are people the system, and overarching political and economic consensus, has failed.
.

Hammer…meet…nail

[Stephen]

After looking at those videos and then going through some of the tweets and replies, the far right really are knuckle dragging muppets. Honestly sending in the army to get them all off the streets.

They have twisted so much of whats been seen and said over the past few days it really is mind boggling how some of them manage to function on a daily basis. .

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Stephen

After looking at those videos and then going through some of the tweets and replies, the far right really are knuckle dragging muppets. Honestly sending in the army to get them all off the streets.

They have twisted so much of whats been seen and said over the past few days it really is mind boggling how some of them manage to function on a daily basis. .

So it’s the “replies” to the videos you’re concerned about and not what’s in the actual videos.

In the first video, which is pretty innocuous on the face of it, until you see there is a police officer talking to the crowd whilst the person right in front of him has a baseball bat. Just casually stood there.

Obviously just a sports fan.

Or the video with kid, looks like a kid, being beaten with sticks…hope they’re sticks.

When you say “far right” , you are correct because these muslim thugs are also as “far right” as you can get.

As they say, two rights are equally as wrong.

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In a bizarre turn of events…………

https://x.com/depthhidden/status/181...974168581?s=61

[papa smurf]

After a week of riots the government is holding an Emergency cobra meeting,not quite sure they have a clue what emergency actually means

[ianch99]

Maybe the Reform leaders should be held to account for inciting this anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant violence? In the past, there was a clear fire break between the mainstream parties and the right wing nut jobs. Now is different, these wackos can find a comfortable home in what is seen as a mainstream political party. Totally different proposition.

You even have people like Farage and Anderson helpfully identifying their next targets to attack ...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Maybe the Reform leaders should be held to account for inciting this anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant violence? In the past, there was a clear fire break between the mainstream parties and the right wing nut jobs. Now is different, these wackos can find a comfortable home in what is seen as a mainstream political party. Totally different proposition.

You even have people like Farage and Anderson helpfully identifying their next targets to attack ...

Why should the Reform leaders be held to a different standard from the Labour MP who said her constituents want their local Holiday Inn Express back? Not that I’ve ever known anyone to stay in a hotel in their own town.

A pure racist dog whistle.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Some of them are violent thugs.

But there are violent thugs every where on all sides.

https://x.com/perky_43/status/1819842707717820877?s=61

https://x.com/jamiebrysoncpni/status...397918419?s=61

https://x.com/steve_laws_/status/182...790166245?s=61

That’s not to justify what’s going on in anyway, I just want “all” mobs that take to the streets dealt with….all of them.

The vast majority at the moment are white. The Police have a tricky line to tow - whilst many of us would like to see more people arrested, I appreciate that they need to avoid making matters worse.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Why should the Reform leaders be held to a different standard from the Labour MP who said her constituents want their local Holiday Inn Express back? Not that I’ve ever known anyone to stay in a hotel in their own town.

A pure racist dog whistle.

They should of course all be held to the same standard.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The vast majority at the moment are white. The Police have a tricky line to tow - whilst many of us would like to see more people arrested, I appreciate that they need to avoid making matters worse.

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They should of course all be held to the same standard.

good luck with that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

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good luck with that.

We need more and better trained police, a service damaged by 14 years of austerity. The fact that protestors could walk by and smash the windows of houses in Middlesbrough where people were living only encourages people to take the law into their own hands.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

Why should the Reform leaders be held to a different standard from the Labour MP who said her constituents want their local Holiday Inn Express back? Not that I’ve ever known anyone to stay in a hotel in their own town.

A pure racist dog whistle.

Starmer will deal with her in due course I suspect however Reform will just double down on the "get our country back" narrative and so fuel these riots.

Labour is not the existential threat here ...

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So it’s the “replies” to the videos you’re concerned about and not what’s in the actual videos.

In the first video, which is pretty innocuous on the face of it, until you see there is a police officer talking to the crowd whilst the person right in front of him has a baseball bat. Just casually stood there.

Obviously just a sports fan.

Or the video with kid, looks like a kid, being beaten with sticks…hope they’re sticks.

When you say “far right” , you are correct because these muslim thugs are also as “far right” as you can get.

As they say, two rights are equally as wrong.

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In a bizarre turn of events…………

https://x.com/depthhidden/status/181...974168581?s=61

They wouldn't even have gathered or been there if they weren't being attacked or having abuse and violence hurled at them.

Nice try though to make them out to be the bad ones.