General : Virgin TV (2024)

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Originally Posted by jfman

Why would Virgin agree to an average streaming app over the premium linear channels?

2030 or 2035 or whatever year dystopia is currently predicted to arrive.

Um, he said "why", not "when"

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Originally Posted by Paul

Um, he said "why", not "when"

Oh I know but he asked OLD BOY. So 2030 etc is the answer to everything.

[nodrogd]

Originally Posted by Media Boy UK

A) Some of the channels only signed a one year deal or rumours at the time did say the channels got on Virgin for free.

B) You are right on Quest HD.

Horse & Country were already consulting their audience as to their preferred delivery method at the time they joined Virgin, as broadcast costs were increasing. They made the decision to leave Sky at the end of January 2020, but remained on Virgin until the end of July.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Itshim

I am sure you are correct, Sky meeting my needs is offered at £49 will see what happens

Been offered bigger combo for £64

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Why would Virgin agree to an average streaming app over the premium linear channels?

I do find it disappointing that a forum which boasts so much good technical knowledge just doesn't seem to attract contributions that are rather more progressive than this.

None of the regular contributors appear to be willing to address the revolutionary change that will soon be apparent to all TV viewers.

The answer to the question posed in this post is simple. TNT does not intend to keep the status quo of providing linear TV channels for any longer than is necessary. In the foreseeable future - sport will be presented through streaming only, and this also applies to Sky.

Some may wish to bury their heads in the sand, and that's fine. Those with open minds can read this, do their own research, and make up their own minds. I hope I've been of service to them.

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/broad...184109.article

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What is shown is another area that will be adapted, with a greater focus on live content and analysis being moved to digital platforms. Young said: “discovery+ will become the home of this, where they can stay with our pundits as they continue on with what we’re broadcasting, or even see preview shows that will start on discovery+. So eventually you will see us go from Premier League coverage on a Saturday morning directly to Premiership rugby.” An example of this is that the Champions League goals show will be moved to discovery+, becoming a companion programme.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I do find it disappointing that a forum which boasts so much good technical knowledge just doesn't seem to attract contributions that are rather more progressive than this.

None of the regular contributors appear to be willing to address the revolutionary change that will soon be apparent to all TV viewers.

The answer to the question posed in this post is simple. TNT does not intend to keep the status quo of providing linear TV channels for any longer than is necessary. In the foreseeable future - sport will be presented through streaming only, and this also applies to Sky.

Some may wish to bury their heads in the sand, and that's fine. Those with open minds can read this, do their own research, and make up their own minds. I hope I've been of service to them.

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/broad...184109.article

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What is shown is another area that will be adapted, with a greater focus on live content and analysis being moved to digital platforms. Young said: “discovery+ will become the home of this, where they can stay with our pundits as they continue on with what we’re broadcasting, or even see preview shows that will start on discovery+. So eventually you will see us go from Premier League coverage on a Saturday morning directly to Premiership rugby.” An example of this is that the Champions League goals show will be moved to discovery+, becoming a companion programme.

I find it disappointing that the most pre-eminent free market capitalist ignores er, the market, in terms of consumption of television. In particular live sports.

People who want to watch TNT want to watch live sports. No amount of punditry on an app will ever compensate for that. What happens in the future remains to be seen however here today, as we sit, Discovery+ is no substitute for live, linear, TNT Sports.

This is reflected in the value of the rights paid for, and retail price, of top dollar premium content that will be delivered linear on platforms for many, many years to come.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

None of the regular contributors appear to be willing to address the revolutionary change that will soon be apparent to all TV viewers.

It could be argued that the revolutionary change has already happened and has peaked. With some streamers now facing churn, realising that moving away from reselling content to third party operators starved them of a valuable source of revenue.

Attempting to argue that the "revolution" will continue exponentially is flawed, an ideology that doesn't really work across the whole market.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I do find it disappointing that a forum which boasts so much good technical knowledge just doesn't seem to attract contributions that are rather more progressive than this.

None of the regular contributors appear to be willing to address the revolutionary change that will soon be apparent to all TV viewers.

The answer to the question posed in this post is simple. TNT does not intend to keep the status quo of providing linear TV channels for any longer than is necessary. In the foreseeable future - sport will be presented through streaming only, and this also applies to Sky.

Some may wish to bury their heads in the sand, and that's fine. Those with open minds can read this, do their own research, and make up their own minds. I hope I've been of service to them.

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/broad...184109.article

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What is shown is another area that will be adapted, with a greater focus on live content and analysis being moved to digital platforms. Young said: “discovery+ will become the home of this, where they can stay with our pundits as they continue on with what we’re broadcasting, or even see preview shows that will start on discovery+. So eventually you will see us go from Premier League coverage on a Saturday morning directly to Premiership rugby.” An example of this is that the Champions League goals show will be moved to discovery+, becoming a companion programme.

I'm not sure an article about a vastly debt-ridden company over a year old will assist us much to future gaze in 2024. Current talk about Warner Brothers Discovery is around asset disposals and even breaking it up.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by epsilon

It could be argued that the revolutionary change has already happened and has peaked. With some streamers now facing churn, realising that moving away from reselling content to third party operators starved them of a valuable source of revenue.

Attempting to argue that the "revolution" will continue exponentially is flawed, an ideology that doesn't really work across the whole market.

Streaming is so much of a revolution in sports Sky have been doing it for 15 years on Xbox consoles.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Streaming is so much of a revolution in sports Sky have been doing it for 15 years on Xbox consoles.

Yes, exactly.

[TMLeafs]

If streaming becomes the standard, might as well get a good IPTV the only reason for paying for Sky and TNT via Cable or Dish is 4K and/or it is more live, ie betting or messaging friends during the game you will know there's a goal way before you see it, even when everyone is forced to stream everyone will see the goal at different times depending on the standard of the stream ie 4K would have a bigger delay than 720p

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

I find it disappointing that the most pre-eminent free market capitalist ignores er, the market, in terms of consumption of television. In particular live sports.

People who want to watch TNT want to watch live sports. No amount of punditry on an app will ever compensate for that. What happens in the future remains to be seen however here today, as we sit, Discovery+ is no substitute for live, linear, TNT Sports.

This is reflected in the value of the rights paid for, and retail price, of top dollar premium content that will be delivered linear on platforms for many, many years to come.

You do appreciate that you can stream live, don’t you, jfman?

Of course you do, so why make this silly comment?

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Originally Posted by epsilon

It could be argued that the revolutionary change has already happened and has peaked. With some streamers now facing churn, realising that moving away from reselling content to third party operators starved them of a valuable source of revenue.

Attempting to argue that the "revolution" will continue exponentially is flawed, an ideology that doesn't really work across the whole market.

Indeed, it has happened. It’s being rolled out and more innovations and content is being added all the time.

It is the phasing out of the old system that we are talking about now.

The technology is not flawed. It is developing all the time and audiences are increasing.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Streaming is so much of a revolution in sports Sky have been doing it for 15 years on Xbox consoles.

It is a continuing revolution and intelligent audiences a have already been won over. Others lag behind, but they will catch up eventually.

Broadband rollout has been a major problem, but most homes have now finally been connected.

[jfman]

Have you got any evidence that "intelligence" is in any way linked to wanting to overpay for content providers that don't actually show the content that you want to see?

Of course you do, so why make this silly comment?

What silly comment? You yourself conceded that Discovery+ is an inferior offer.

If a deal cannot be struck, I wonder if VM will settle for Discovery+ instead?

Why settle?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm not sure an article about a vastly debt-ridden company over a year old will assist us much to future gaze in 2024. Current talk about Warner Brothers Discovery is around asset disposals and even breaking it up.

Is that your best argument against our streaming future, Andrew? The problems being experienced by some streaming companies is not relevant to this argument.

The main problem Discovery+ has is with its programme quality. This should improve with more scripted content - and producing more intelligent documentaries would certainly help.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Have you got any evidence that "intelligence" is in any way linked to wanting to overpay for content providers that don't actually show the content that you want to see?

Are you seriously questioning the fact that streaming in most areas (other than sport) is cheaper than bundled TV channels?

I’ve pointed out repeatedly that there will be consolidation when it comes to sport streamers, although popular demand will always push up prices. Just look at boxing and premier league football as examples.

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Originally Posted by jfman

What silly comment? You yourself conceded that Discovery+ is an inferior offer.

That wasn’t what I said was ‘silly’. What was silly was this:

‘People who want to watch TNT want to watch live sports. No amount of punditry on an app will ever compensate for that.’

It sounded very much like you were failing to acknowledge that you can stream live sport. What else could you have meant?

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Originally Posted by jfman

Why settle?

Eh? If they can’t do a deal on TNT, maybe they can finally bring Discovery+ to the platform instead, which was meant to be coming this year, by the way.