Smart Meters and Tariffs

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes, but they ignore that , and still keep pestering about it at every opportunity.

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As long as you don't respond, or let them have access, then quite a long time.

Your last statement is wrong…. To my knowledge They don’t need your permission to change a meter if it’s at end of life and they can if they want get a warrant of entry and if you refuse access police can and will be called

You don’t own the meter the energy company does

[SnoopZ]

Originally Posted by Paul

I thought the point of a "Tracker" is it goes up/down, not a fixed price ?

It's fixed for a year when you join the Tracker but I believe they have to change it every 3 months to a different fixed price, I'm not sure why but the first Tracker was December 23 then April 24 and now July 24.

Basically when you sign up you get it fixed for 12 months based on the formula used for that period.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

You don’t own the meter the energy company does

Ya thats the sad part.... Really they can do whatever they want at any time!!

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes, but they ignore that and still keep pestering about it at every opportunity..

I guess it comes down to whos will is stronger??

Originally Posted by nashville

I heard that much bad reports about them, I just decided to keep reading my own meter, SP keep asking me if the can come and install one, Not sure how long I can put them off

Ya its GOOD to resist as long as possible!!!

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes, but they ignore that , and still keep pestering about it at every opportunity.

Not really.
When Ive switched, the new supplier usually contacted me to say my meter is past its working life, and needs changing.
Each time Ive replied saying not interested, and they have not really bothered me again.

Originally Posted by Mr K

As long as you don't respond, or let them have access, then quite a long time.

Not so true now.
The majority of old meters are now approaching EOL, and are no longer made, so SMART is the only replacement choice.
If they want, they can force you to change, just like they can force you onto prepay. So far they choose not to do this, but the time will come.
On top of that, they are slowly making all the better/cheaper tariffs for SMART meters only, so holding out will eventually just cost you more.
There comes a point when it just makes little sense to keep waiting, a point I have now reached.

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Originally Posted by Dude111

Ya its GOOD to resist as long as possible!!!

Its really not. Again you need to get away from conspiricy theories.

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ

It's fixed for a year when you join the Tracker but I believe they have to change it every 3 months to a different fixed price, I'm not sure why but the first Tracker was December 23 then April 24 and now July 24.

Basically when you sign up you get it fixed for 12 months based on the formula used for that period.

The tracker site I looked at shows a daily price.
So I understood it to mean you paid the tracker price each day.

[ Easily done since SMART meters can take daily readings ]

What you describe is nothing more than a fixed rate tariff.
That seems pointless and doesnt seem like it needs a smart meter either.

[SnoopZ]

Originally Posted by Paul

Not really.
When Ive switched, the new supplier usually contacted me to say my meter is past its working life, and needs changing.
Each time Ive replied saying not interested, and they have not really bothered me again.


Not so true now.
The majority of old meters are now approaching EOL, and are no longer made, so SMART is the only replacement choice.
If they want, they can force you to change, just like they can force you onto prepay. So far they choose not to do this, but the time will come.
On top of that, they are slowly making all the better/cheaper tariffs for SMART meters only, so holding out will eventually just cost you more.
There comes a point when it just makes little sense to keep waiting, a point I have now reached.

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Its really not. Again you need to get away from conspiricy theories.

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The tracker site I looked at shows a daily price.
So I understood it to mean you paid the tracker price each day.

[ Easily done since SMART meters can take daily readings ]

What you describe is nothing more than a fixed rate tariff.
That seems pointless and doesnt seem like it needs a smart meter either.

I'm sorry it's hard for me to explain I'll try again.

You get a daily fixed tracker price and you will know tomorrow's prices before midnight.

Octopus for whatever reason have to change the formula used for the Tracker which seems to be every 3 months, I guess this is because of price cap changes.

The Tracker Tariff for December 2023 which is fixed(formula) for 12 months which you could get up until it was changed in April is more favourably prices than April or Julys versions.

Looking on the Octopus site, the price changes daily.

Octopus Tracker is Britain's first tariff to truly follow the wholesale price of energy. Every day, we update the price of your energy based on an independently published wholesale market price — the price available to all suppliers.

Tracker is a 12-month fixed term tariff, which means that whilst your daily unit rates will change, the formula and the standing charges are set for the duration of your term.

What seems to be fixed is the formula used to work out the price, and the standing charge.
The price per unit changes daily (using the formula). You keep that fixed formula for 12 months.

[SnoopZ]

Originally Posted by Paul

Looking on the Octopus site, the price changes daily.





What seems to be fixed is the formula used to work out the price, and the standing charge.
The price per unit changes daily (using the formula). You keep that fixed formula for 12 months.

Yes that is what I tried to explain in my last post.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Ya thats the sad part.... Really they can do whatever they want at any time!!

I guess it comes down to whos will is stronger??

Ya its GOOD to resist as long as possible!!!

Energy companies have always owned the meters. It's not a new thing.

It's not good to resit. Step away from all the conspiracies.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Energy companies have always owned the meters. It's not a new thing.

It's not good to resit. Step away from all the conspiracies.

Yes 'resistance is useless' as residents of Skaro say

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Stephen

It's not good to resit. Step away from all the conspiracies.

So we should willingly accept stuff that isnt good for us??

These smart meters bombard your whole house with RF energy that YOU CANT GET AWAY FROM unless the power goes out!

Of course the power companies are trying to force this... THEY MAKE OUT LIKE BANDITS!!

http://techwellness.com/blogs/expert...out-for-health

Not everything new in this world IS GOOD.....

Here’s why people, communities and governments around the world are rejecting smart meters:

• Radiofrequency interference causing malfunctioning of wireless equipment such as Wi-Fi and Netflix
• Radiofrequency interference causing malfunctioning of medical equipment such as pacemakers and wireless insulin pumps
• Radiofrequency spikes causing appliances to break
• Health effects like migraines, nausea, vomiting, muscle spasms, heart palpitations and sleeplessness caused by intense bursts of radiofrequency radiation that has just been classified as a “possible carcinogen” by the World Health Organization — in the same category as lead, engine exhaust and DDT
• Cybersecurity breaches
• Excessive billing
• Interception of personal identity information
• Electrical fires

To be blunt here, you really are talking complete bollox now.
If you believe that complete nonsense I'm sure we can sell you a tin foil hat or two.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Dude111

So we should willingly accept stuff that isnt good for us??

These smart meters bombard your whole house with RF energy that YOU CANT GET AWAY FROM unless the power goes out!

Of course the power companies are trying to force this... THEY MAKE OUT LIKE BANDITS!!

http://techwellness.com/blogs/expert...out-for-health

Not everything new in this world IS GOOD.....

Here’s why people, communities and governments around the world are rejecting smart meters:

• Radiofrequency interference causing malfunctioning of wireless equipment such as Wi-Fi and Netflix
• Radiofrequency interference causing malfunctioning of medical equipment such as pacemakers and wireless insulin pumps
• Radiofrequency spikes causing appliances to break
• Health effects like migraines, nausea, vomiting, muscle spasms, heart palpitations and sleeplessness caused by intense bursts of radiofrequency radiation that has just been classified as a “possible carcinogen” by the World Health Organization — in the same category as lead, engine exhaust and DDT
• Cybersecurity breaches
• Excessive billing
• Interception of personal identity information
• Electrical fires

All of that is complete and utter balls. They once back in the 90s tried to claim mobile phones would give us cancer! Just no, stop.

Have you any idea how many radio frequencies are already around you every day! A smart meter ain't gonna make any difference. TV signals, AM/FM radios. Mobile phones, wireless networking.....I could go on.

Excessive billing is 100% fabricated conspiracy and paranoia, same for data breaches and electrical fires. Stop reading rubbish.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Dude111

So we should willingly accept stuff that isnt good for us??

These smart meters bombard your whole house with RF energy that YOU CANT GET AWAY FROM unless the power goes out!

Of course the power companies are trying to force this... THEY MAKE OUT LIKE BANDITS!!

http://techwellness.com/blogs/expert...out-for-health

Not everything new in this world IS GOOD.....

Here’s why people, communities and governments around the world are rejecting smart meters:

• Radiofrequency interference causing malfunctioning of wireless equipment such as Wi-Fi and Netflix
• Radiofrequency interference causing malfunctioning of medical equipment such as pacemakers and wireless insulin pumps
• Radiofrequency spikes causing appliances to break
• Health effects like migraines, nausea, vomiting, muscle spasms, heart palpitations and sleeplessness caused by intense bursts of radiofrequency radiation that has just been classified as a “possible carcinogen” by the World Health Organization — in the same category as lead, engine exhaust and DDT
• Cybersecurity breaches
• Excessive billing
• Interception of personal identity information
• Electrical fires

Yet you use CRT monitors, you do know they emit radiation don't you?

Also in the USA since the invention of the transistor all babies have had one embedded in their brain within an hour of birth to enable CIA mind control. I'd be much more worried about that than a smart meter.

[SnoopZ]

Dude111 you talk so much bloody bollox it's shocking.

[downquark1]

Cybersecurity breaches
Interception of personal identity information

These are somewhat valid concerns. The greater issue is a huge amount of micromanaging your domestic lives with price changes in order to achieve some mythical net zero goal.

Or cutting of your electricity if they decide they don't like you.