The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 3

[Russ]

Has there been a recent (in the past 5 years or so) increase in UK debt?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Russ

Has there been a recent (in the past 5 years or so) increase in UK debt?

Yes, fundamentally we're living beyond our means so year on year, expenditure is bigger than income. And we're spending more on debt repayments than on education.

There were big increases in debt after the GFC and Covid.

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Only if you earn over £50k, it's an extra fiver a week. You'd survive somehow.
At least they are more honest than other parties about tax.

I would be interested to know how you arrived at the figure of a fiver without knowing peoples individual circumstances. I calculate that my Class 1 NI contributions would increase by £128 a week.

The extreme left wing parties hate any sign of success in a person.

[1andrew1]

More bad news for Sunak. I'm sure the first and third sentences are related, but the FT can't be explicit.

A 46-year-old man has been arrested at his home in Barnet, north London, as part of a criminal investigation into suspected offences committed in the procurement of contracts for personal protective equipment by the company PPE Medpro.

The person in question is currently being interviewed by National Crime Agency officers, according to the NCA.

Conservative peer Baroness Michelle Mone, a lingerie entrepreneur, has been at the centre of a scandal relating to allegations that she financially benefited from lobbying on behalf of PPE Medpro, which sold the government £200mn worth of personal protective equipment during the Covid-19 pandemic.

https://www.ft.com/content/98d3cdf0-...e-1e2b5c75f38a

Originally Posted by Hugh

Andrea Jenkyns (Leeds South West & Morley Tory Candidate) is panicking - no mention of Conservatives on her Election leaflet, and it has a picture of her with Farage...

Update - just seen the other side of the leaflet, where it mentions (once) "under our Conservative Government" - see if you can find it...

Few will read it even if they’re sympathetic towards her. They will see her name, they will see Farage, they will see Reform UK light blue, they will see a Union Jack. If anyone was ever likely to vote for her, that’s enough. Shocking though that it has got that bad. Listening to them all doing the media rounds, she’s not the only one who understands this is now a damage limitation exercise for them.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

There were big increases in debt after the GFC and Covid.

Well of course. That £32bn and the VIP lane giveaway had to be paid back somehow.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by peanut

Sunak... "Sorry D-Day made me late" - "I didn't have a Sky Dish' - Now I'm really convinced he's trying to throw the election.

I assumed he meant they were so hard up they didn’t buy a company called “Sky TV”.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

More bad news for Sunak. I'm sure the first and third sentences are related, but the FT can't be explicit.


https://www.ft.com/content/98d3cdf0-...e-1e2b5c75f38a

There is only one 46 year old man listed as a previous director of PPE Medpro on Companies House…

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Originally Posted by Escapee

I would be interested to know how you arrived at the figure of a fiver without knowing peoples individual circumstances. I calculate that my Class 1 NI contributions would increase by £128 a week.

The extreme left wing parties hate any sign of success in a person.

As my best friend who earns a high six-figure salary says (and he is not left-wing in any way, shape, or form), "I sometimes get annoyed when I look at the very large deduction details on my monthly earnings, then I look at the very large amount still remaining, and I stop being annoyed"…

I was watching Starmer on that Sky News interview and I am torn between wondering if Labour will have a hard time of it when they get in and fall apart pretty quickly when the pressure is on them. Or if they've been so cautious in what they promised and things are so bad that mere competence for a few years will reflect well on them and get them re-elected on merit in 2029.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by Damien

I was watching Starmer on that Sky News interview and I am torn between wondering if Labour will have a hard time of it when they get in and fall apart pretty quickly when the pressure is on them. Or if they've been so cautious in what they promised and things are so bad that mere competence for a few years will reflect well on them and get them re-elected on merit in 2029.

He always seemed calm and admittedly a bit boring when in the Commons but in these debates I'm seeing worrying signs of panic. It's like the enormity of the situation is dawning on him and being so close to victory is starting to adversely affect his performance.

Originally Posted by Hugh

As my best friend who earns a high six-figure salary says (and he is not left-wing in any way, shape, or form), "I sometimes get annoyed when I look at the very large deduction details on my monthly earnings, then I look at the very large amount still remaining, and I stop being annoyed"…

There is a difference however between a "high six-figure salary" and 50K.

Implying (as they did) that someone earning 50K is super wealthy is just nonsense.

Originally Posted by Paul

There is a difference however between a "high six-figure salary" and 50K.

Implying (as they did) that someone earning 50K is super wealthy is just nonsense.

I was replying to Escapee’s comment

I calculate that my Class 1 NI contributions would increase by £128 a week.

Which deductions works out to earning around £150k per annum, so the reply was in regards to that figure…

Originally Posted by Hugh

I was replying to Escapee’s comment

I know, that makes no difference to my point.

I went with Liberal Democrat because they seem to have more of a toe hold in my town.It's been a solid Tory stronghold for all the time I've been voting here.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There is only one 46 year old man listed as a previous director of PPE Medpro on Companies House…

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As my best friend who earns a high six-figure salary says (and he is not left-wing in any way, shape, or form), "I sometimes get annoyed when I look at the very large deduction details on my monthly earnings, then I look at the very large amount still remaining, and I stop being annoyed"…

couple of ways of looking at that statement

From a purely fiscal statement it kinda makes sense even taking the personal tax allowance complete loss and also the compulsory self assessment into account

However, if you look at it from a value for money perspective it really doesn’t exorbitant amounts of tax being paid and it’s being spaffed about on for example initiatives that have failed or will fail

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Originally Posted by Paul

There is a difference however between a "high six-figure salary" and 50K.

Implying (as they did) that someone earning 50K is super wealthy is just nonsense.

Depends on their living costs surely ?