The Chronicles of Rishi

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

It's not a great election slogan, "vote for us, as anyone else must be worse". Might as well not have elections, or go to Russia, if there can only be one ruling party.

Buy gold.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Starmer is leading a centre-right party. I'm not sure a single policy stands from the 2016 or 2019 manifesto. Nor do I think any substantive policies stand from his leadership campaign.

He's firmly putting it out there that Labour are just a caretaker for the same flawed macroeconomics that have decimated our industrial towns and cities.

British people are just another asset for the globalised economy to extract wealth from. Whether you turn on the taps, switch on the lights or commute to work - money is leaving this country hand over fist in dividends for running our public services.

I think on that, we have an accord.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Be careful what you wish for.

Yes, they're bad but it could get much worse.

Oh , it will.

If you think Labour voters are disaffected by the 14yrs of the Tories, just wait until they’ve had 5 yrs of a Starmer Labour government.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Buy gold.

Gold is a pretty rubbish asset. Better off buying US equities. You could buy UK equities but UK growth has been stagnant for the last decade under the Tories so that's a pretty rubbish asset as well.

[Ms NTL]

Originally Posted by Damien

Gold is a pretty rubbish asset. Better off buying US equities. You could buy UK equities but UK growth has been stagnant for the last decade under the Tories so that's a pretty rubbish asset as well.

Nutmeg? A stupid (robo-fund) JP Morgan fund ... Moneyfarm is run by an unknown Italian. Fidelity international?

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

Nutmeg? A stupid (robo-fund) JP Morgan fund ... Moneyfarm is run by an unknown Italian. Fidelity international?

I use a Vanguard fund which tracks 100% global equities because, as it's an index fund, it's quite cheap.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Be careful what you wish for.

Yes, they're bad but it could get much worse.

Worse like last time Labour were in power? I'll take it, that'll do just fine

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Originally Posted by Damien

I use a Vanguard fund which tracks 100% global equities because, as it's an index fund, it's quite cheap.

Think I'm in two or three Vanguard funds, rate them very highly

[denphone]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Be careful what you wish for.

Yes, they're bad but it could get much worse.

l and many many more will be glad to get away from the awful premierships of Johnson, Truss and Sunak.

Starmer while being a dull politician will be just the safe pair of hands this country is crying out for rather then the constant Tory shitshows and psychodramas of the last 10 years.

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Worse like last time Labour were in power? I'll take it, that'll do just fine

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Think I'm in two or three Vanguard funds, rate them very highly

My Vanguard S&S "low risk" isa has just gone into the black after over two years of -ve rates, bonds had absolutely tanked but are a lot better than a year ago.

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Originally Posted by denphone

l and many many more will be glad to get away from the awful premierships of Johnson, Truss and Sunak.

Starmer while being a dull politician will be just the safe pair of hands this country is crying out for rather then the constant Tory shitshows and psychodramas of the last 10 years.

this.

[ianch99]

One of the "major" reasons why the Tories are toast is that Labour have positioning themselves as a replacement centre ground Party with basically, pretty boring, non-threatening (to the majority) policies. They are essentially what the Tories were in the past before this current lot embraced right wing populism and culture wars.

The lurch to the right has left a hole in the centre ground which Labour are positioned to fill. The Tories are finished as a party of government for at least 10 years, possibly more. The irony is that it is all their own doing

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by daveeb

My Vanguard S&S "low risk" isa has just gone into the black after over two years of -ve rates, bonds had absolutely tanked but are a lot better than a year.

I'm in in their share funds, life strategy 100% shares & Global shares high dividend yield plus I pretty sure my pension is made up of vanguard stuff as well, anyway we are at risk of incurring wrath for going of topic, glad yours are in the black again

Originally Posted by ianch99
The Tories are finished as a party of government for at least 10 years, possibly more. The irony is that it is all their own doing

Hopefully a lot more, the damage they've done is seismic, 250 people a week are dying needlessly due to waiting for bed in A&E

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

One of the "major" reasons why the Tories are toast is that Labour have positioning themselves as a replacement centre ground Party with basically, pretty boring, non-threatening (to the majority) policies. They are essentially what the Tories were in the past before this current lot embraced right wing populism and culture wars.

The lurch to the right has left a hole in the centre ground which Labour are positioned to fill. The Tories are finished as a party of government for at least 10 years, possibly more. The irony is that it is all their own doing

How exactly have Tories lurched to the right? Laughable.

The reason they’re in the hole is because they haven’t been right wing enough.

Originally Posted by Pierre

How exactly have Tories lurched to the right? Laughable.

The reason they’re in the hole is because they haven’t been right wing enough.

That's what Labour supporters said of Labour after 2015 and their answer was Corbyn. Politics in the UK is won in the centre ground, so Labour has had its victories by moving right and the Tories by moving to the left of their base.

Anyway the Tories aren't losing because they're not right-wing enough. They're losing because they're incompetent.

[jfman]

Elections might be won or lost in the centre ground but none of Britain’s problems are solved there.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

Elections might be won or lost in the centre ground but none of Britain’s problems are solved there.

True unless there is self-evident proof that a radical policy shift is needed. Energy or Water sectors are good examples, together with re-aligning with the EU.

Here's an interesting YouGov tracker on perceptions of where the Conservatives are on the left/centre/right of politics:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...arty-alignment

In latest polling, the 20% think the Tories are very right wing, 26% think fairly right wing and 14% slightly right of centre. Pretty damning figures.

Also:

Tories now seen as being as right wing as 2014-16 era UKIP

The Conservatives and the right

By contrast, any traces of David Cameron’s modernisation project have long since disappeared. Cameron had dragged perceptions of the Conservatives significantly towards the centre during his period as opposition leader, from a starting point of +53 in our first poll in February 2006 to +37 in March 2010 – close to Cameron’s own rating of +34.

The ratings of the Conservatives and their leader then lurched rightwards when the party came to power in 2010, however, and remained largely consistent thereafter – during his time as prime minister Cameron’s score averaged +44 and his party’s +48.

Theresa May was seen as further to the right than Cameron (averaging +54 as PM) and the Conservatives likewise under her (averaging +57).

but don't forget, they can solve all their problems by lurching further to the right as "they haven’t been right wing enough"

Labour has its own issues atm.

Twenty Lancashire councillors quit Labour in leadership protest

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-68707225

This, apparently, after another 11 quit in Burnley a few months ago.