Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No he won't, he doesn't care what the UN say, he has a war to win.

Do you think Hamas will do what the UN says?

No, we just don't think 1.6 million people deserve to starve if they don't.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

No, we just don't think 1.6 million people deserve to starve if they don't.

I don’t think anybody deserves to starve.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don’t think anybody deserves to starve.

Even Hamas?

Everyone has a hierarchy.

The reality is Palestinian suffering is deemed to be a price worth paying for Israeli ethnic nationalism to succeed.

Haven't heard many people giving it large about Russia's unqualified right to protect itself since the biggest terror attack on it's soil in about 15 years.

They, of course, know what that'd mean. Do we even have a thread?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Even Hamas?

I’d rather see them brought to justice.

The reality is Palestinian suffering is deemed to be a price worth paying for Israeli ethnic nationalism to succeed.

The reality is that the actions in Gaza are regrettable and were avoidable.

Haven't heard many people giving it large about Russia's unqualified right to protect itself since the biggest terror attack on its soil in about 15 years.

If Russia want to go and attack whatever state this particular ISIS cell hail from, i wouldn’t object.

They, of course, know what that'd mean. Do we even have a thread?

What does it mean?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

This is going to be interesting:
UN Security Council resolution calls for Gaza ceasefire
Bibi will throw his toys out of the pram I suspect ...

Originally Posted by Pierre

No he won't, he doesn't care what the UN say, he has a war to win.

I think Hugh called it right.

After the vote, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu cancelled a planned delegation visit to Washington

https://news.sky.com/story/un-securi...efire-13101682.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think Hugh called it right.

https://news.sky.com/story/un-securi...efire-13101682.

The US are great allies of Israel, but Israel will not jeopardise their security just because the US wish it.

There is still a majority of the US that favour Israel and there is no administration, especially in an election year, that will venture beyond an agnostic position.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The US are great allies of Israel, but Israel will not jeopardise their security just because the US wish it.

I don't think the US wishes to jeopardise Israel's security. Quite the contrary given the arms it continues to suppliy to Israel.

What makes you think otherwise?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think Hugh called it right.

https://news.sky.com/story/un-securi...efire-13101682.

Hugh?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Hugh?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The US are great allies of Israel, but Israel will not jeopardise their security just because the US wish it.

There is still a majority of the US that favour Israel and there is no administration, especially in an election year, that will venture beyond an agnostic position.

The flaw is assuming that this action continues to make Israel safer in the long run.

With clear examples of summarily executing women and children, and now allegations of raping Palestinian women at hospitals, it's unclear that this action won't radicalise more people against Israel not the other way round.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Hugh?

Yes?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by jfman

The flaw is assuming that this action continues to make Israel safer in the long run.

Agreed. Blindly accepting that an extremist's (Netanyahu's) course of action must be right in the face of opposition from the World and his own country is a tad naive.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Yes?

Maybe

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Agreed. Blindly accepting that an extremist's (Netanyahu's) course of action must be right in the face of opposition from the World and his own country is a tad naive.

Yes, they are well on the road to becoming a Rogue State

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes, they are well on the road to becoming a Rogue State

Like Ukraine?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Like Ukraine?

Now, now. Even a rogue state generally has basic elements that Ukraine lack. Control over it's borders, a volunteer army, fully independent domestic and foreign policy, the pretence of democracy and a pluralist media.

Langley's puppet regime in Kiev can only dream of the status of a rogue state.