Britain outside the EU - Page 377

Dave42 · 26-11-2023, 18:26

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Indeed
- Reduced food self-sufficiency - tick
- Everyone on average worse off by £2k+ pa - tick
- Inability to return unlawful migrants to France - tick
- Decreased productivity - tick
- Lowest economic growth in Europe except Germany - tick

But in fairness, we do have Polish-printed blue passports so it's not all bad!

and according to the OBR the all great CPTTP deal is even worse than first though now at 0.04 after 15 years

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ought-obr-says

TheDaddy · 26-11-2023, 20:43

Just been reading about tory run, brexit supporting Cornwell, they received 1 billion in funding from the EU from the year 2000 and was going to receive 350 million more after 2020, instead they've got 18 million quid and the beaches are covered in shit, good job they knew what they were voting for...

Pierre · 26-11-2023, 22:03

Just in case you were all under some disillusionment, we’re not going back in.

Such wasted energy bitching like little spoilt bitches.

Carry on…..by all means, if you like whinging and bitching and moaning while achieving nothing apart from whinging, bitching and moaning ……crack on.

**Hugh** · 26-11-2023, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Just in case you were all under some disillusionment, we’re not going back in.

Such wasted energy bitching like little spoilt bitches.

Carry on…..by all means, if you like whinging and bitching and moaning while achieving nothing apart from whinging, bitching and moaning ……crack on.

Mate, put either beer or the keyboard down - they’re not compatible after a few…

Sephiroth · 26-11-2023, 22:53

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Just been reading about tory run, brexit supporting Cornwell, they received 1 billion in funding from the EU from the year 2000 and was going to receive 350 million more after 2020, instead they've got 18 million quid and the beaches are covered in shit, good job they knew what they were voting for...

From where did you get this data (the £18 million)?

Are you sure that the £18 million is not a different fund rather than the SPF (Shared Prosperity Fund) that the UK government is funding since leaving the EU?

Another usual Remoaner whinge from you.

**Hugh** · 26-11-2023, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

From where did you get this data (the £18 million)?

Are you sure that the £18 million is not a different fund rather than the SPF (Shared Prosperity Fund) that the UK government is funding since leaving the EU?

Another usual Remoaner whinge from you.

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/council-...funding-award/

Another usual ad-hominem attack from you - rather than rebut, you insult…

Sephiroth · 26-11-2023, 23:09

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/council-...funding-award/

Another usual ad-hominem attack from you - rather than rebut, you insult…

I got it right. The TOWN DEAL (your link, and which I knew about) is not the SPF.

Pierre · 26-11-2023, 23:21

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Mate, put either beer or the keyboard down - they’re not compatible after a few…

I do like a beer, but on a Sunday / school night. Best to not get too intoxicated……..mate…..which you are not.

That little outburst is just getting off my chest…because I’m bored of it, and it is also accurate.

“Remainers” which is a poor term, Anti-UK is much better and more accurate.

All they do is bitch and moan, 7 yrs down the line, thank god I’m not married to one… maaaate….

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Mate, put either beer or the keyboard down - they’re not compatible after a few…

Another ad-hominem attack from you. Rather than rebut you insult.

**Hugh** · 26-11-2023, 23:50

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Another ad-hominem attack from you. Rather than rebut you insult.

Oh, the irony….

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"Remainers” which is a poor term, Anti-UK is much better and more accurate.

All they do is bitch and moan, 7 yrs down the line

Methinks you may being economical with the actuality re the keyboard/alcohol interface scenario

TheDaddy · 27-11-2023, 01:07

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

From where did you get this data (the £18 million)?

Are you sure that the £18 million is not a different fund rather than the SPF (Shared Prosperity Fund) that the UK government is funding since leaving the EU?

Another usual Remoaner whinge from you.

Have I got it wrong, they got the £300 million then? That's something positive, I was always very sceptical about the matching funding...

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Just in case you were all under some disillusionment, we’re not going back in.

Such wasted energy bitching like little spoilt bitches.

Carry on…..by all means, if you like whinging and bitching and moaning while achieving nothing apart from whinging, bitching and moaning ……crack on.

You okay hun

1andrew1 · 27-11-2023, 08:10

If people don't like Remainers and Leavers being challenged over previous statements they have made v how things turned out, then they should probably not follow this thread.

denphone · 27-11-2023, 08:20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If people don't like Remainers and Leavers being challenged over previous statements they have made v how things turned out, then they should probably not follow this thread.

Indeed as its a discussion forum with differing points of view.

Sephiroth · 27-11-2023, 10:07

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If people don't like Remainers and Leavers being challenged over previous statements they have made v how things turned out, then they should probably not follow this thread.

Why did you bother saying that, Andrew? Surely you knew it could be picked to pieces.

Things haven’t turned out yet in terms of Brexit outcomes. Covid has intervened (and that was a fair old vaccine ding-dong).

But things are beginning to evolve satisfactorily. The Nissan investment for electric cars in Sunderland is an important example. We have a free trade deal with the EU and it hasn’t stopped Nissan exporting cars to Europe.

I’ve always said that the transition takes time and British business needs (and is) to get into gear.

But the Remainers are indeed Remoaners - every opportunity is taken to bitch about leaving that wretched hegemonistic EU, pulling together also sorts of checklists containing irrelevant facts, especially Andrew’s

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- Reduced food self-sufficiency - tick
- Everyone on average worse off by £2k+ pa - tick
- Inability to return unlawful migrants to France - tick
- Decreased productivity - tick
- Lowest economic growth in Europe except Germany - tick

In the above list, the only item attributable to Brexit is the unlawful migrants line. The rest have nothing to do with Brexit and mainly to do with bad government.

ianch99 · 27-11-2023, 11:06

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

From where did you get this data (the £18 million)?

Are you sure that the £18 million is not a different fund rather than the SPF (Shared Prosperity Fund) that the UK government is funding since leaving the EU?

Another usual Remoaner whinge from you.

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Replace the phrase "remoaner whinge" (or similar) with the term "objective reality" to clarify understanding.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If people don't like Remainers and Leavers being challenged over previous statements they have made v how things turned out, then they should probably not follow this thread.

That's a fair point Andrew. What is interesting is how much of the reality of the damage that Brexit has done to the country is invisible to the faithful. That's fine I suppose as they must rationalise the ideology that drove the agenda in some way.

What is more sinister is the move to referring to people who call out the lies and damage done in 2016 as "Anti-UK". The irony here is, of course, the decision in 2016 was anti-UK i.e. against the country's short, medium and long term interests.

Once you start invoking the nationalist trope, you are leaving your UKIP camp and well on the way to EDL and beyond.

Sephiroth · 27-11-2023, 11:19

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Originally Posted by ianch99

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That's a fair point Andrew. What is interesting is how much of the reality of the damage that Brexit has done to the country is invisible to the faithful. That's fine I suppose as they must rationalise the ideology that drove the agenda in some way.

What is more sinister is the move to referring to people who call out the lies and damage done in 2016 as "Anti-UK". The irony here is, of course, the decision in 2016 was anti-UK i.e. against the country's short, medium and long term interests.

Once you start invoking the nationalist trope, you are leaving your UKIP camp and well on the way to EDL and beyond.

Your ‘i.e.’ does not excuse the crassness of your remark. How can a democratic vote in the UK be ‘anti-UK’? It is certainly anti-EU.

None of you Remoaners has been able to provide a realistic list damage to the UK caused by Brexit.

Also, please tell me whether the EU aim of pulling sovereignty into Brussels (ever growing Union) has your full-hearted approval? That’s what we voted against.

People want a better life and business wants to maintain profit. The two go hand in hand and only needs a non-shitshow government to make faster progress on this front.