Russia has invaded Ukraine

You actually couldn’t make this stuff up though could you. If you tried to write it people would accuse you of writing two dimensional pantomime villains who are so stupid they couldn’t possibly exist in real life.

[jfman]

I suppose until there’s confirmed remains he theoretically could have faked his death.

[Mr K]

Hard to have much sympathy given the crimes his rentamob thugs have meated out.

Originally Posted by jfman

I suppose until there’s confirmed remains he theoretically could have faked his death.

It’s hard to rule anything out in the lunatic asylum called Russia. However, there are already some quite grizzly crash scene videos doing the rounds on Tw*tter so I imagine it won’t be long before there are confirmed remains.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

It’s hard to rule anything out in the lunatic asylum called Russia. However, there are already some quite grizzly crash scene videos doing the rounds on Tw*tter so I imagine it won’t be long before there are confirmed remains.

Probably.

I’m not sure it’d be lunacy for an enemy of Putin to fake their own death though, it’d be perfectly rational. After all it’s the only way to truly know you can walk near windows in the future.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

If he had a few final seconds to reflect as he was being blown out of his seat he might perhaps have realised that if you start a coup against the Russian state machine you don’t just stop it on the outskirts of the capital territory and try to convince the Tsar of your goodwill. Warlord betrayed his sovereign, chickened out and paid the price. A tale as old as time.

I expect Putin is hoping that Prigozhin’s troops in Belarus don’t have access to those nuclear weapons of his!

Originally Posted by jfman

Probably.

I’m not sure it’d be lunacy for an enemy of Putin to fake their own death though, it’d be perfectly rational. After all it’s the only way to truly know you can walk near windows in the future.

It would be, but I’m not sure Pigozhin is (was?) that subtle. His success was due to ruthless brutality. When he tried to organise a coup it didn’t go at all well and his behaviour ever since has been chaotic. He popped up in Africa the other day bragging about how much success he was having there, apparently having regained his taste for the limelight.

Whoever was on that plane, though, may well have been alive as it came down in more or less one piece in a flat spin, according to one of the videos doing the rounds.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66599733

It was always a matter of when not if. I'm surprised he survived this long, to be honest.

[Pierre]

Who packed his carry-on bag?

[GrimUpNorth]

I don't understand why they even go through the fell out of a window or accidentally shooting a plane down charade etc. They know the world sees it for what it is and I'm sure there's not that much coverage of state sponsored murder on state TV. The only thing i can think is Vlad really fancies himself as a James Bond villain, but if that's the case he must also realise it never ends well for the bad guy in the films.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I don't understand why they even go through the fell out of a window or accidentally shooting a plane down charade etc. They know the world sees it for what it is and I'm sure there's not that much coverage of state sponsored murder on state TV. The only thing i can think is Vlad really fancies himself as a James Bond villain, but if that's the case he must also realise it never ends well for the bad guy in the films.

Considering it’s the cleanest way to fake a suicide the advantages to the window fall are obvious. You don’t need to pay off/coerce investigators into ignoring evidence of poisoning/bullets/other.

The CIA (I know, of all the people) get widely credited with coming up with the idea.

https://www.fff.org/2022/09/02/myste...igh-buildings/

[pip08456]

Alledgedly confirmed.

Wagner boss Prigozhin and his right hand Dmitry Utkin have most likely died in a plane crash in the Tver region. Locals heard two explosions after which the plane fell down. Their bodies have reportedly been identified.

Wagner affiliated channels already confirm their deaths.

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No doubt more will be revealed.

Rosaviatsia published a list of passengers of a business jet that crashed in the Tver region:

Propustin Sergey
Makaryan Evgeniy
Totmin Alexander
Chekalov Valeriy
Utkin Dmitry
Matuseev Nikolay
Prigozhin Evgeniy

Crew members:
Levshin Aleksei, commander;
Karimov Rustam, co-pilot;
Raspopova Kristina, flight attendant.

Here we go again perhaps.

Telegram channels associated with the PMC Wagner appealed to the government of the Russian Federation.

The mercenaries said that if the death of the head of the PMC Wagner #Prigozhin was confirmed, they would organise a second "March of Justice" to Moscow

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Alledgedly confirmed.

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No doubt more will be revealed.



Here we go again perhaps.

I can't see that happening, they'll probably be internal fighting now for command or we might see the whole group disband now?

[Mr K]

Thing about mercenaries is that they aren't really interested in goodies and baddies. They are just interested in themeselves/money. Why should they risk their lives for the rest of the world to overthrow Putin, unless it brings them personal gain

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I can't see that happening, they'll probably be internal fighting now for command or we might see the whole group disband now?

Doesn't look that way.

In the aftermath of the plane crash that allegedly killed Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin, convoys of Wagner fighters are departing Belarus and heading to Russia, the National Resistance Center reported on Aug. 23.

Sources in Belarus said that some Wagner base camps were being dismantled the evening of Aug. 23, and that members of the private military group were forming convoys to leave the country.

"The convoys are likely heading towards the border with Russia," the Center said.

https://kyivindependent.com/national...r-fatal-crash/