21-07-2023, 20:06
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Never voted for Corbyn. I hate the man.
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This needs framing for posterity. The one person who wouldn't know sensible discussion if it bit him on the behind.  |
At least with Corbyn you knew what you would get , with Sir Kier I have no idea what is his plan. Other politicians are available
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22-07-2023, 04:57
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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At least with Corbyn you knew what you would get , with Sir Kier I have no idea what is his plan. Other politicians are available |
Where as we all know what the tory plan is, to loot the country for the benefit of chums for as long as possible.
In other news The EU will now be referring to The Falkland Islands as the Malvinas 
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22-07-2023, 10:53
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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At least with Corbyn you knew what you would get , with Sir Kier I have no idea what is his plan. Other politicians are available |
Far be it for me to be defending Labour (let’s take it as a sign of just how truly awful the present Tory party is), but a party in opposition with a new leader, if it keeps its cool, does have the luxury of developing policy while in opposition and only setting it out when it’s close enough to the election not to become background noise, or to be stolen by the party in power.
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22-07-2023, 14:12
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Although I agree that’s a reasonable enough strategy - it worked for Cameron in his years in opposition. However, Starmer is running the risk that people who are Labour voters wonder if he actually stands with them at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-uxbridge-lost
If a Labour leader (or indeed, any party) is going to u-turn on a policy every time it ends up on another party’s leaflet then it’s going to end up very bland indeed.
He isn’t going to win every seat so I’m not sure the point of pandering to those he doesn’t win.
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22-07-2023, 14:26
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Although I agree that’s a reasonable enough strategy - it worked for Cameron in his years in opposition. However, Starmer is running the risk that people who are Labour voters wonder if he actually stands with them at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-uxbridge-lost
If a Labour leader (or indeed, any party) is going to u-turn on a policy every time it ends up on another party’s leaflet then it’s going to end up very bland indeed.
He isn’t going to win every seat so I’m not sure the point of pandering to those he doesn’t win. |
Are you not forgetting that the British Electorate don't like extremes whether its left or right, they prefers political parties that occupy the centre ground of British politics.
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22-07-2023, 14:57
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Are you not forgetting that the British Electorate don't like extremes whether its left or right, they prefers political parties that occupy the centre ground of British politics.
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I’m sure there’s a huge raft of acceptable positions to the left of the Tories at the minute and Starmer (it appears) is afraid to stand for any of them.
More of the same is simply more failure.
I fear he will actually be too timid to stand up for anything before the election, win but narrower than some predictions and not really have a mandate to go beyond the letter of a manifesto that says nothing.
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22-07-2023, 15:00
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by jfman
Although I agree that’s a reasonable enough strategy - it worked for Cameron in his years in opposition. However, Starmer is running the risk that people who are Labour voters wonder if he actually stands with them at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-uxbridge-lost
If a Labour leader (or indeed, any party) is going to u-turn on a policy every time it ends up on another party’s leaflet then it’s going to end up very bland indeed.
He isn’t going to win every seat so I’m not sure the point of pandering to those he doesn’t win. |
I suspect in the next few months they will be fleshing out their five missions ready for 2024.
https://labour.org.uk/missions/
But that's probably best debated in another thread.
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22-07-2023, 21:52
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Are you not forgetting that the British Electorate don't like extremes whether its left or right, they prefers political parties that occupy the centre ground of British politics.
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Careful, Den; you'll get Hugh asking you what would be the critical mass of different cultures to shift the centre ground of British politics.
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22-07-2023, 22:22
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Careful, Den; you'll get Hugh asking you what would be the critical mass of different cultures to shift the centre ground of British politics.
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No, he won’t, because that’s your obsession, with your annual thread on the Great Replacement Theory… 
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22-07-2023, 22:33
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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No, he won’t, because that’s your obsession, with your annual thread on the Great Replacement Theory… |
Well, you should ask. The centre ground if British politics must shift as other cultures come into Parliament. Btw, see H. Useless in Scotland for details when he tried to curtail alcohol advertising as soon as he took power.
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23-07-2023, 01:57
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Re: Britain outside the EU
No, thanks - I’ll decide who/what I ask, just like when you ask leading questions, but then waffle/go  when asked what you think the answer is to your question…
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23-07-2023, 10:41
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Well, you should ask. The centre ground if British politics must shift as other cultures come into Parliament. Btw, see H. Useless in Scotland for details when he tried to curtail alcohol advertising as soon as he took power.
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Oh great, as if it wasn’t awful enough I’m defending Labour, now I have to go into bat for the S-N-*ing-Pee on a Sunday morning. 
Scotland has a particularly awful relationship with alcohol. So much so we have an actual thing called the Alcohol Act 2010, which banned supermarkets from including booze in multi-buy promotions. And we have the Alcohol (Minimum pricing) Act 2012, which allows the government to set a minimum price per unit (currently set at 50p, likely to rise to 80p in the near future). I am no fan of wee Humza fae Hutchie but anything he does with regards to alcohol sales in Scotland is in pursuit of long-established policy aimed at tackling deeply ingrained social issues, not the utterings of his Imam.
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23-07-2023, 10:50
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Oh great, as if it wasn’t awful enough I’m defending Labour, now I have to go into bat for the S-N-*ing-Pee on a Sunday morning.
Scotland has a particularly awful relationship with alcohol. So much so we have an actual thing called the Alcohol Act 2010, which banned supermarkets from including booze in multi-buy promotions. And we have the Alcohol (Minimum pricing) Act 2012, which allows the government to set a minimum price per unit (currently set at 50p, likely to rise to 80p in the near future). I am no fan of wee Humza fae Hutchie but anything he does with regards to alcohol sales in Scotland is in pursuit of long-established policy aimed at tackling deeply ingrained social issues, not the utterings of his Imam. |
Just as well your Baptist, not Kafflik…
You’d have to go into the Confessional Box, saying
"bless me, Father, for I have sinned - since my last confession, I have
- had negative thoughts about others
- doubted my Faith
- defended U.K. Labour Party and SNP policies & approaches
For these and all my other sins, I ask for forgiveness…"
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23-07-2023, 13:26
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Re: Britain outside the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
No, thanks - I’ll decide who/what I ask, just like when you ask leading questions, but then waffle/go when asked what you think the answer is to your question… |
I wouldn’t be asking the question unless I was seeking answers. I have postulated what I think is happening.
Britain outside the EU has to be a long term project and needs to be in competent hands (quite a challenge). I’m not happy that Britain outside the EU is having to deal with the invasion we are seeing. On the other hand, I’m sceptical that relaxation of EU visa rules will attract the workers that we can’t recruit from British ranks.
A competent government, if we had one, would have buttoned the lips of the Remainers.
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23-07-2023, 15:08
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Re: Britain outside the EU
Does Spain show the the grass is greener on the other side. Left wing government likely to be right wing. UK right wing likely to be left wing ( in the broadest and most simplistic wording )
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