Britain outside the EU

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

The real worry for the Brexiteers is that the shorter the distance between the EU and UK the significant risk of ending up back in the Single Market.

This is inevitable, just on the demographic change alone. It is just the time taken: the longer the delay, the more damage that has to be undone.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But at least we're out of the EU and rule from Brussels. We can now plow our own furrow and hope that a government can assist that (Labour won't).

We'll have to plough it, no cheap foreign labour anymore, you see that nice man from the Bank of England telling everyone to get used to poorer, I don't recall that as being one of the listed benefits either

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

But at least we're out of the EU and rule from Brussels. We can now plow our own furrow and hope that a government can assist that (Labour won't).

Basic rule of Project/Programme Management - any plan that depends on "hope" is likely to fail…

"hope" is basically "no idea how to fix this, something magic might happen" - abdication of responsibility for actions undertaken without proper evaluation, risk assessment, or mitigation.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Basic rule of Project/Programme Management - any plan that depends on "hope" is likely to fail…

"hope" is basically "no idea how to fix this, something magic might happen" - abdication of responsibility for actions undertaken without proper evaluation, risk assessment, or mitigation.

"We" is the people and we are not the programme/project managers. "We" do the hoping; they do project.

Get it right, Hugh.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

"We" is the people and we are not the programme/project managers. "We" do the hoping; they do project.

Get it right, Hugh.

There is and never was a "they" in this project. The recently reveals reaction of Johnson in 2016: 'Holy c*** - we've got no plan, what will we do?' sums up the whole disaster.

Plan is a four letter word but it never was part of the Brexit lexicon and so the country slides, chaotically, downwards ...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

"We" is the people and we are not the programme/project managers. "We" do the hoping; they do project.

Get it right, Hugh.

The project was to win. After that, there was no plan.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

There is and never was a "they" in this project. The recently reveals reaction of Johnson in 2016: 'Holy c*** - we've got no plan, what will we do?' sums up the whole disaster.

Plan is a four letter word but it never was part of the Brexit lexicon and so the country slides, chaotically, downwards ...

Nothing you've said, contradicts what I've said in response to Hugh's ill-thought out piece of "irony".

That our government got it all wrong since Brexit date still leaves us (the people) in hope.

My optimism is that, despite Hunt, business will sort it all out as it usually has done in the past. The government needs to focus on food and energy self-sufficiency.



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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The project was to win. After that, there was no plan.

Again, nothing you've said contradicts the validity of my remarks to Hugh.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Nothing you've said, contradicts what I've said in response to Hugh's ill-thought out piece of "irony".

That our government got it all wrong since Brexit date still leaves us (the people) in hope.

My optimism is that, despite Hunt, business will sort it all out as it usually has done in the past. The government needs to focus on food and energy self-sufficiency.



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Again, nothing you've said contradicts the validity of my remarks to Hugh.

The trouble is it's not just you doing the wishful thinking/hoping. It's the government as well!

I think our days of food self sufficiency ended a long time ago and Brexit has merely accelerated that trend.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Nothing you've said, contradicts what I've said in response to Hugh's ill-thought out piece of "irony".

That our government got it all wrong since Brexit date still leaves us (the people) in hope.

My optimism is that, despite Hunt, business will sort it all out as it usually has done in the past. The government needs to focus on food and energy self-sufficiency.



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Again, nothing you've said contradicts the validity of my remarks to Hugh.

We aren't going to be food self sufficient, Patrick Minford said farming would have to be sacrificed for brexit and it looks like for once in his life he was right and it's not government that got it wrong it's governments, mrs may, bozo, dim lizzy and the current prime miniature, maybe there's a reason they keep getting it all wrong and maybe it's because what you're hoping for so intensely is unachievable, you could try hoping harder but I suspect the result will be the same

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Nothing you've said, contradicts what I've said in response to Hugh's ill-thought out piece of "irony".

That our government got it all wrong since Brexit date still leaves us (the people) in hope.

My optimism is that, despite Hunt, business will sort it all out as it usually has done in the past. The government needs to focus on food and energy self-sufficiency.



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Again, nothing you've said contradicts the validity of my remarks to Hugh.

Me , I blame John Major for all of this !

[Mad Max]

Such drama.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Such drama.

Hugh started it.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Hugh started it.

Typical Tory - always someone else’s fault…

[ianch99]

Seems the owners of ARM are reading the Brexit room:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ck-market-arm/
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1078116.html

The “idiocy” of Brexit is partially to blame for one of the UK's largest tech firms choosing to list on the New York Stock Exchange over London, it was warned on Tuesday.

Hermann Hauser, who pioneered ARM’s technology whilst at Acorn computers, said the City's reputation had "suffered a lot" since Britain left the European Union.

Cambridge-based software company ARM is hoping to raise $10billion with its initial public offering (IPO), an amount he believes would not be possible in Britain.

The firm on Saturday filed with regulators confidentially for a US market listing, setting the stage for this year's largest stock offering.

When asked why the company was being listed in New York over London, Mr Hauser told BBC Radio 4: "The fact is that New York is a much deeper market than London, partially because of the the Brexit idiocy the image of the London Stock Exchange has suffered a lot in the international community."

ARM is a strategic technology in Cloud Based Computing due to it lower power consumption so this is a significant move. Others will be watching ...

[jfman]

The bonfire of EU laws confirmed to be a couple of sparklers and a firecracker instead.