Sue Gray

Itshim · 02-03-2023, 19:42

So she now works for labour !!! Says it all

peanut · 02-03-2023, 20:13

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So she now works for labour !!! Says it all

Rats and sinking ships and all that....

**Damien** · 02-03-2023, 21:05

Well, she was a civil servant so wasn't really going down with the ship either way.

People will try to spin it as vindication for Johnson but Grey not only wasn't working for Labour at the time but was appointed by the Government themselves.

She was appointed because they needed somebody widely respected after their initial appointment was also mixed up in Partygate. I don't think it's a surprise that a party which is looking to be in Government wants to recruit someone respected and senior that's worked in Government.

denphone · 02-03-2023, 21:11

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So she now works for labour !!! Says it all

Civil servants are politically neutral and independent of government.

Mr K · 02-03-2023, 21:18

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Civil servants are politically neutral and independent of government.

They can of course resign and become political. Just like David Frost did for the Tories....

Pierre · 03-03-2023, 11:54

I don't think she was a Labour shill or anything like that, but it is an extremely silly move by Starmer. Just bad optics.

1andrew1 · 03-03-2023, 11:57

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I don't think she was a Labour shill or anything like that, but it is an extremely silly move by Starmer. Just bad optics.

I think it's a good one. He's got an experienced professional on board.

denphone · 03-03-2023, 12:11

Did not Jonathan Powell, who left a senior job at the Foreign Office to become Tony Blair’s chief of staff.

**Damien** · 03-03-2023, 12:53

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I don't think she was a Labour shill or anything like that, but it is an extremely silly move by Starmer. Just bad optics.

I am guessing he has decided it's worth the hit for him to have her on board. If you think there are so few people on the front bench with experience in Government, they're all pretty lightweight, that having someone senior who does is worthwhile.

Also, the Tories blabbing on about Partygate again probably isn't a smart move on their part either.

Itshim · 03-03-2023, 12:56

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Civil servants are politically neutral and independent of government.

If you believe that guess you will believe anything

denphone · 03-03-2023, 13:03

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If you believe that guess you will believe anything

And you believe too many conspiracy theories..

**Paul** · 03-03-2023, 14:19

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So she now works for labour !!! Says it all

I suppose it might, if I had any clue who "Sue Gray" was.

Itshim · 03-03-2023, 18:54

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And you believe too many conspiracy theories..

History shows that you should not trust anything that the press , MPs , or anyone else say. And I very much include conspiracy theories. , Fact check from many sources. More or less on bbc4 shows that everything should not be taken at face value

for a example

papa smurf · 03-03-2023, 19:13

bent as a nine bob note

**Maggy** · 03-03-2023, 23:12

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bent as a nine bob note

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So she now works for labour !!! Says it all

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Rats and sinking ships and all that....

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If you believe that guess you will believe anything