Britain outside the EU

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The UK really is broken at the moment. Nothing to do with Brexit - all to do with useless government

This is the real problem the country need to tackle - the deliberate denial of facts. Brexit, Covid and Ukraine are the 3 main factors in what is dragging this country down at the moment, in many respects. Now we can argue what order they are in but, and this is the absolute reality here, they are all major factors. Any other interpretation is gaslighting.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

This is the real problem the country need to tackle - the deliberate denial of facts. Brexit, Covid and Ukraine are the 3 main factors in what is dragging this country down at the moment, in many respects. Now we can argue what order they are in but, and this is the absolute reality here, they are all major factors. Any other interpretation is gaslighting.

The country is broken because nothing works in terms of the key public facilities. Absolutely nothing to do with Brexit. Just crap government.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The country is broken because nothing works in terms of the key public facilities. Absolutely nothing to do with Brexit. Just crap government.

Pure gaslighting ...

A new example how Brexit is impacting us:

[Sephiroth]

They're striking over pay, not the absence of EU nurses & ambulance drivers.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

They're striking over pay, not the absence of EU nurses & ambulance drivers.

They're striking over the staffing crisis and pay. The Times article is correct.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They're striking over the staffing crisis and pay. The Times article is correct.

Indeed

https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-even...nounced-251122

The dispute is over pay, but also patient safety. Staffing levels are so low that patient care is being compromised. Only by paying nursing staff fairly will we recruit and retain people in our profession.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They're striking over the staffing crisis and pay. The Times article is correct.

I couldn't find where the Times article mentions the strike.

EDIT: But I note Ben's remarks.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I couldn't find where the Times article mentions the strike.

EDIT: But I note Ben's remarks.

I am not talking about the strike, I am pointing out the role of Brexit in degrading our already understaffed NHS.

To bring home the dire state of the NHS, I have just got a text from our GP Surgery informing that they are suspending routine GP services and can only handle emergency appointments.

Things are really, really bad out there ...

Yes they are bad, but they were bad before we left the EU.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yes they are bad, but they were bad before we left the EU.

I'm sorry, GP services where we live have never been anywhere near this bad. It really is at the limit. The NHS Trust is telling us that almost every bed across the county is occupied.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Yes they are bad, but they were bad before we left the EU.

How are things in the Care sector?

[1andrew1]

Whether or not you agree or disagree with Brexit from a sovereignty perspective, it's always useful to establish the cost.

‘Worse than feared’: Brexit to blame for £33bn loss to UK economy, study shows

Brexit has cost the UK a staggering £33bn in lost trade and investment, according to a new study which found that the economic damage is even worse than previously feared.

Research by the Centre for European Reform (CEF), shared with The Independent, shows that Britain’s economy is 5.5 per cent smaller than it would have been if the country had remained inside the EU.

The UK’s goods trade is 7 per cent lower and investment is 11 per cent lower than it would have been had the Remain campaign won the 2016 Brexit referendum, according to the think tank’s analysis.

“Brexit has clearly had a significant impact on the economy,” said John Springford, deputy director of the CEF. “There has been sizeable hit on trade and investment.”

The CER modelled the performance of a “doppelganger” UK – if the nation had remained inside the EU – using data from other advanced economies similar to Britain prior to Brexit, including US, Germany, Norway and Australia.

Mr Springford said the impact of Covid had slightly complicated the picture when the think tank’s previous assessment was carried out earlier this year.

But he said it was now clear that the difference between Britain’s sluggish performance compared to similar economies was down to Brexit rather than the pandemic. “I’m confident that Covid is not skewing the picture.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...22ea6a7919bf6a

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Originally Posted by ianch99

I'm sorry, GP services where we live have never been anywhere near this bad. It really is at the limit. The NHS Trust is telling us that almost every bed across the county is occupied.

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How are things in the Care sector?

Same as healthcare. Short staffed, using agency to cover gaps.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Whether or not you agree or disagree with Brexit from a sovereignty perspective, it's always useful to establish the cost.

It might be if the "cost" were actual facts.

The CER modelled the performance of a “doppelganger” UK

So basically just made up - one thing covid taught us is how bad models are.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul

It might be if the "cost" were actual facts.

So basically just made up - one thing covid taught us is how bad models are.

How else can you measure it?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

How else can you measure it?

You cant, thats the point.