Coronavirus

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

I guess the under reporting would be an issue if you took the Yellow Card data in isolation. However the MHRA works hard to account for the variables in the reporting system including the issue of under reporting.

One more thing about the MHRA:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...essofresearch1

Since 1989, when the then prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, took drug regulation out of the hands of the Department of Health, the MHRA has been 100% funded by the pharmaceutical companies.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ion-foi-21-624

The majority of our income comes from the pharmaceutical industry through fees.

[Ramrod]

Innate immune suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccinations

-mRNA vaccines promote sustained synthesis of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

-The spike protein is neurotoxic, and it impairs DNA repair mechanisms.

-Suppression of type I interferon responses results in impaired innate immunity.

-The mRNA vaccines potentially cause increased risk to infectious diseases and cancer.

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PEER-REVIEWED CASE REPORTS SHOWING CAUSALITY OR STRONG ASSOCIATION BETWEEN COVID-19 VACCINES AND INJURY OR DEATH

Originally Posted by Ramrod

[url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X]

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PEER-REVIEWED CASE REPORTS SHOWING CAUSALITY OR STRONG ASSOCIATION BETWEEN COVID-19 VACCINES AND INJURY OR DEATH

Quack.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

[url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X]

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PEER-REVIEWED CASE REPORTS SHOWING CAUSALITY OR STRONG ASSOCIATION BETWEEN COVID-19 VACCINES AND INJURY OR DEATH

You poor thing, you must not be able to sleep at night!

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Chris

Quack.

What makes you think that?

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

You poor thing, you must not be able to sleep at night!

Ditto...

edit: Did either of you actually click the links to get through to the peer reviewed, medical research papers?....and read them?

Originally Posted by Ramrod

What makes you think that?

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Ditto...

edit: Did either of you actually click the links to get through to the peer reviewed, medical research papers?....and read them?

I clicked through and scanned enough to recognise the classic conspiracist mindset behind the alarmist bullet points and even worse link text you chose to summarise it with.

Studies which are actually reviews of other studies rather than newly designed and conducted research have serious limitations, amongst them the risks of selectivity and confirmation bias. Sure, you have a veritable rogue’s gallery of all the very worst things that could happen as a result of having a covid vaccination, but you don’t need to trawl the internet for that sort of stuff. Every packet of paracetamol has a leaflet in it with a list of horrible things that can occur if you take it. A list of things that could happen when you take medication does more harm than good when it is divorced from its context, which is what you very effectively did here.

Originally Posted by Chris

Every packet of paracetamol has a leaflet in it with a list of horrible things that can occur if you take it.

Indeed, if I read the [possible] effects of the tablets I take, I should be dead.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

[url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X]

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PEER-REVIEWED CASE REPORTS SHOWING CAUSALITY OR STRONG ASSOCIATION BETWEEN COVID-19 VACCINES AND INJURY OR DEATH

File under "confirmation bias". The capital letters are a give away!

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Chris

I clicked through and scanned enough to recognise the classic conspiracist mindset behind the alarmist bullet points and even worse link text you chose to summarise it with.

That is a peer reviewed paper and rather then read it and think about what it says you are choosing to simply look at the bullet points that it posted and conclude that the summary in the paper is even worse? Do you know how to read a research paper? Have you been taught to read a research paper? I have. I've even written one. Please look at the paper (and the dozens of others that I posted below it) with an open mind.
Here are links to the wikepedia/linkedin pages of the authors (that you called quacks) so you can look at their credentials(look at their education):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._McCullough
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Seneff
https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-...alSubdomain=gr

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

File under "confirmation bias". The capital letters are a give away!

Christ. It's in upper case....so it must be misinformation?!
Really?....I simply couldn't be bothered to change it to lower case.

Click the link.

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Originally Posted by Paul

Indeed, if I read the [possible] effects of the tablets I take, I should be dead.

No. They are POSSIBLE side effects and they have been on the market for (probably) decades. The mrna cov vaxxines have been on the market for less that 3 years after about 6 months trial.(normal trial for a vax is much longer)
btw...The total side effects for the cov vax's (in the last 2.5 years) are more than all side effects for all vaccines in the last 40 years.
Latest one, iirc, was tested on 6 mice!

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I have no words. I'm posting up to date medical research and you are judging my posts because they have bullet points that you find upsetting and the url link is in capitals? Realy? That's your argument?

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I have no words. I'm posting up to date medical research and you are judging my posts because they have bullet points that you find upsetting and the url link is in capitals? Realy? That's your arguments?

I said no such thing, I suggest you stop insulting people [above] and making baseless accusations.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Paul

I said no such thing, I suggest you stop insulting people [above] and making baseless accusations.

You said:

Indeed, if I read the [possible] effects of the tablets I take, I should be dead.

I said:

No. They are POSSIBLE side effects and they have been on the market for (probably) decades. The mrna cov vaxxines have been on the market for less that 3 years after about 6 months trial.(normal trial for a vax is much longer)
btw...The total side effects for the cov vax's (in the last 2.5 years) are more than all side effects for all vaccines in the last 40 years.

So...I didn't insult you.

edit: What accusations am I making that you are upset about?

btw.....Chris called me a quack....that's an insult. I'm insulted now. Care to comment?

Originally Posted by Ramrod

You said:
I said: So...I didn't insult you.

edit: What accusations am I making that you are upset about?

btw.....Chris called me a quack....that's an insult. I'm insulted now. Care to comment?

You’re being alarmist and you know it. ‘Peer reviewed’ is not the same as ‘correct’ or ‘consensus’. It means it has been competently produced. Again, you know this.

I have less issue with the limitations of a ‘survey of surveys’, which is what this study is, than I do with the headline you chose to put on it. You’re obviously pursuing an agenda. I don’t need to read the entire research paper to know that.

And yes, I could if I was so motivated. While neither of my degrees are in the sciences, I believe I’m competent to read and evaluate the material adequately well.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

You said:
I said: So...I didn't insult you.

edit: What accusations am I making that you are upset about?

btw.....Chris called me a quack....that's an insult. I'm insulted now. Care to comment?

Yes, I'll comment.

1. I said people, not me, but you knew that already.
You are perfectly well aware what you said, and to who, since you went back and edited it again after I removed it (we store all edits).
2. Are you blind, or just playing dumb. I quoted it.
3. No, he didnt, I suggest you go back and read it again.

TBH, I think you are just playing the troll now.
I advise you to move on and not to continue picking this fight.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Chris

You’re being alarmist and you know it. ‘Peer reviewed’ is not the same as ‘correct’ or ‘consensus’. It means its competently produced. Again, you know this.

I have less issue with the limitations of a ‘survey of surveys’, which is what this study is, than I do with the headline you chose to put on it. You’re obviously pursuing an agenda. I don’t need to read the entire research paper to know that.

And yes, I could if I was so motivated. While neither of my degrees are in the sciences, I believe I’m competent to read and evaluate the material adequately well.

1) How am I being alarmist by posting peer reviewed papers on this subject?
2) You do need to read the entire research paper, and you should know that.

[1andrew1]

From the first of RamRod's Wikipedia links:

Peter Andrew McCullough (/məˈkʌlə/;[1] born December 29, 1962) is an American cardiologist.[2] He was vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor at Texas A&M University.[3] During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough has promoted misinformation about COVID-19, its treatments, and mRNA vaccines.[4][5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._McCullough

I think that link tells us all we need to know about the report's credibility! And ironically, it was provided by RamRod himself in an attempt to support his case!