Russia has invaded Ukraine

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Paul

Pity, I always thought better of you.

It’s ultimately a war about ideology, common sense has long since departed. Might as well be in the 1970s again.

Russian citizens are fair game.

Originally Posted by Paul

Pity, I always thought better of you.

For what? Agreeing that it’s a good idea to refuse to facilitate the propaganda operations of a genocidal regime?

Even Jesus wasn’t afraid to run people out of town with a whip, if the offence was grave enough.

Originally Posted by Chris

For what? Agreeing that it’s a good idea to refuse to facilitate the propaganda operations of a genocidal regime?

Nice try, but nope.
I see no point in further posts about it.
My point is/was clear, your view, equally so.

Originally Posted by jfman

Russian citizens are fair game.

So it would appear.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s ultimately a war about ideology, common sense has long since departed. Might as well be in the 1970s again.

As more rapes and atrocities are uncovered I'd have thought it was more like 1945

Russian citizens are fair game.

Bet you felt terrible for the oligarchs to

[Sephiroth]

This discussion is getting ridiculous.

Irish businesses don't want to supply products and services to the agents of genocide.

Unless diplomatic relations with Russia are severed, the Irish government is under a legal obligation to facilitate the normal functioning of the Russian embassy.

All very simple, really.

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s ultimately a war about ideology, common sense has long since departed. Might as well be in the 1970s again.

Russian citizens are fair game.

Russian citizens abroad, in the employ of the Russian Government, are fair game to be targets for economic sanctions…

Article 29 of the VCDR states that:

’The person of a diplomatic agent shall be inviolable. He shall not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. The receiving state shall treat him with due respect and shall take all appropriate steps to prevent any attack on his person, freedom or dignity."

It doesn’t state you have to sell/supply them with goods and services - in fact, I can’t find anything in the VCDR that states that…

https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instr...s/9_1_1961.pdf

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Russian citizens abroad, in the employ of the Russian Government, are fair game to be targets for economic sanctions…

Article 29 of the VCDR states that:

It doesn’t state you have to sell/supply them with goods and services - in fact, I can’t find anything in the VCDR that states that…

https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instr...s/9_1_1961.pdf

It is unlikely that the Vienna Convention would contain words that you cooked up. But it does contain:

Article 25
The receiving State shall accord full facilities for the performance of the functions of the mission

[jfman]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Bet you felt terrible for the oligarchs to

Not particularly, anyone with that amount of wealth almost certainly hasn’t acquired it legitimately.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Russian citizens abroad, in the employ of the Russian Government, are fair game to be targets for economic sanctions…

Article 29 of the VCDR states that:

It doesn’t state you have to sell/supply them with goods and services - in fact, I can’t find anything in the VCDR that states that…

https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instr...s/9_1_1961.pdf

And what of Russian citizens in need of consular assistance? Collateral damage?

The self same people we think should rise up and overthrow Putin we are inconveniencing, ironically providing evidence for the Russian propaganda machine along the way.

Mmmm, yes, I can just envision the Russian Embassies wanting to facilitate the return of those who wish to "rise up and overthrow Putin", but not being able to do so because of Irish sanctions…

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Mmmm, yes, I can just envision the Russian Embassies wanting to facilitate the return of those who wish to "rise up and overthrow Putin", but not being able to do so because of Irish sanctions…

What about a bland passport renewal? As far as I know Russians don’t have to wear badges with their political affiliation so I’m unsure how the Embassy could offer services on a selective basis.

Maybe the West should cut to the chase and issue badges with “Russian - pariah” for Russians to wear outside Russia. Then we can know who to deny jobs, education, economic opportunity to, etc.

This thread seems to have jumped into a huge rabbit hole..

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

This discussion is getting ridiculous.

Irish businesses don't want to supply products and services to the agents of genocide.

Unless diplomatic relations with Russia are severed, the Irish government is under a legal obligation to facilitate the normal functioning of the Russian embassy.

All very simple, really.

Yeah, I don't understand the issue here. The Irish (and British) state should do the minimum required to meet the obligations of having a functional Russian embassy. They don't owe Russian diplomats much else.

Originally Posted by jfman

What about a bland passport renewal? As far as I know Russians don’t have to wear badges with their political affiliation so I’m unsure how the Embassy could offer services on a selective basis.

Maybe the West should cut to the chase and issue badges with “Russian - pariah” for Russians to wear outside Russia. Then we can know who to deny jobs, education, economic opportunity to, etc.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Talk about hyperbole.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Hugh

From the man who reduced all embassy or consular services to this:

Mmmm, yes, I can just envision the Russian Embassies wanting to facilitate the return of those who wish to "rise up and overthrow Putin", but not being able to do so because of Irish sanctions…

I agree, it’s funny.