Russia has invaded Ukraine
11-11-2022, 09:59
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Yes .. when we could afford it.
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Exactly - before Covid.
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11-11-2022, 10:09
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Looks like Ukraine is now advancing again on Kherson with reports of the Russian retreat being chaotic and now beset by panic as Russians try to flee over narrow bridges.
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11-11-2022, 12:00
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Move along, please…
Let’s get back on topic
(Chris: Posts deleted to help keep things moving)
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15-11-2022, 19:56
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Russian missiles have hit Poland killing two people.
https://twitter.com/PA/status/1592589880915156992
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#Breaking A senior US intelligence official says that Russian missiles crossed into Nato member Poland, killing two people
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15-11-2022, 19:56
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
BREAKING: WARSAW, Poland (AP) — A senior U.S. intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing two people. - Associated Press.
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15-11-2022, 20:00
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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BREAKING: WARSAW, Poland (AP) — A senior U.S. intelligence official says Russian missiles crossed into NATO member Poland, killing two people. - Associated Press.
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Start of phase 2 ? !!! Doubt NATO will do any thing if it was 
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15-11-2022, 20:02
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
It's almost certainly an accident but how Poland and Russia react will be critical now.
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15-11-2022, 20:14
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
There's no way Russia is backing down from this war, they may have gotten out of Kherson but their missiles are causing a lot of damage elsewhere.
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15-11-2022, 20:18
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Start of phase 2 ? !!! Doubt NATO will do any thing if it was |
Poland are well within there rights to retaliate if they wish. I just hope common sense prevails.
As for Natos artical 5
Collective defence means that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies.
The principle of collective defence is enshrined in Article 5 of the Washington Treaty.
NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time in its history after the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the United States.
NATO has taken collective defence measures on several occasions, including in response to the situation in Syria and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
NATO has standing forces on active duty that contribute to the Alliance’s collective defence efforts on a permanent basis.
Would or could that be used even if Russia claims a mistake or claims it was a False flag action by Ukraine
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15-11-2022, 20:28
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
“Reminder: NATO has invoked Article 5 just once in its history: after the September 11th terrorist attacks.
But NATO has taken collective defense measures on multiple instances, including over Syria and Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine earlier this year”. - Jack Detsch, Foreign Policy.
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LATEST: The Polish Air Force has scrambled fighter jets from the airport in Tomaszów Lubelski.
The Army and Prosecutor’s Office have arrived to the farm.
The reports about the missile attack are unofficial, but come from Radio Zet, a renowned Radio Station.
Polish PM Morawiecki & President Duda have summoned a crisis meeting of the National Security Bureau.
NATO article 5?
Invoking Article 5 puts us on a Nuclear war footing & ultimately WWIII.
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15-11-2022, 20:31
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I don't think they'll invoke Article 5. At the very least there will be pressure from the rest of NATO not to invoke it over this. It's too much of an escalation to collectively take military action against Russia over two wayward missiles. There would have to be evidence of obvious intent.
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15-11-2022, 20:49
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BREAKING: Russian Telegram channel Rybar will not rule out that a Russian missile landed in Poland
It admits that it could be a Kalibr or Kh-101 and predicts that Poland could theoretically invoke Article 5 but will likely choose a less extreme course of action - Samuel Ramani, Foreign Policy.
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15-11-2022, 21:12
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Some speculation now that it was the remains of a rocket shot down by Ukraine.
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Russia are denying it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...08d41054ea888a
Thay's concerning.
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15-11-2022, 21:30
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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standard russian bullshit, deny all responsibility and blame someone else
it'll just go down as an accident no one's going to start ww3
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