Liz Truss Resigns [Who'll be the next Prime Minister?]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Those on an NHS waiting list or needing ongoing care might notice the NI cut.

It doubt it was never going to make any meaningful difference.
The NHS just eats money, a fair bit is almost certainly being wasted.

The waiting list will probably take years to recover from the pandemic (it was already rising anyway).
At the start of 2016 it was 3.5 million, at the start of 2022, just before lockdowns, it was 4.40 million.
Bizarrely, in the first few months of the pandemic, it shrank to 3.8 million, but since then its shot up to 6.8 million.

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-su...-data-analysis

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

These "lefties"?



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What salary level do you think a "decent job" has, so they don’t have to "steal our money"?

Anyone being taxed, don’t you think?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Anyone being taxed, don’t you think?

You think £12,571 is a decent salary? People earning that receive benefits, so according to your post, "why should hard working people have to pay for you? It’s our money they are stealing because they can’t be bothered."

Or you could try answering the question with a figure - what salary level do you think a "decent job" has, so they don’t have to "steal our money"?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Positive impact on the economy.

Interesting, but unsurprising, your loathing of the poor has you in the gutter describing them as stealing as opposed to condemning employers who pay poverty wages that need supported by “in work benefits”.

Contemptible.

“The poor will always be poor” should be on the front page of the next Conservative manifesto.

Well, if it draws in more investors and wealth creators, of course that will have a positive effect. If you think otherwise, instead of ridiculing the poster, why don’t you try explaining why you think the opposite?

I don’t loathe the poor at all, that’s just your spin. But I do think that if people are able to work, then they should do so rather than sponge off the rest of us. That, indeed, is as good as stealing.

I think you will find that most people paying taxes feel the same way.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...pany-b90hdkj5z

The prime minister’s chief of staff is being paid through his lobbying company in a highly unusual arrangement that could allow him to pay less tax.

Mark Fullbrook insists he is not being paid through his company for tax reasons and has obtained no tax benefit from the arrangement. However, he is refusing to explain the agreement that lets him direct government strategy without being directly employed by the government.

Previous holders of the role have been treated like any other special adviser (Spad), appointed on a temporary civil service contract and paid a salary that is made public. Fullbrook is instead a contractor and will receive any payment through Fullbrook Strategies, a private lobbying company he created in April but which he says has suspended commercial activities.

One Whitehall source said it was “unheard of” for a No 10 official of his seniority to be employed in this way although Fullbrook disputed this. It is unclear what the implications of the arrangement are from a financial and transparency perspective.

Between April and June, according to the Office of the Registrar of Consultant Lobbyists, Fullbrook’s company contacted the government on behalf of clients including the Libyan House of Representatives, which is opposed by the West and the UN, an energy provider and a PPE firm linked to a fundamentalist Christian sect.

It announced it had “suspended” its commercial activities earlier this month after Fullbrook was appointed by Liz Truss to be her top aide.

However he is continuing to use it as a vehicle to receive his publicly funded salary. The equivalent post under Boris Johnson carried a salary of £140,000.

The arrangement will lead to questions days after No 10 scrapped the so-called IR35 reforms of previous Conservative governments that were designed to stop people paying themselves via a company to avoid tax.

In 2019, HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) won a case against BBC presenters who were told to pay back hundreds of thousands of pounds in tax after working via personal service companies when they were employees in all but name.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, if it draws in more investors and wealth creators, of course that will have a positive effect.

“If” followed by “of course”. Priceless.

If you think otherwise, instead of ridiculing the poster, why don’t you try explaining why you think the opposite?

I’m free to ridicule your spurious and unevidenced claims all I please. The most immediate issue is the fall in the pound, immediately giving everyone in a cost of living crisis greater inflationary pressure for anything which the baseline cost is either euro or dollars. I dunno, like oil.

I don’t loathe the poor at all, that’s just your spin. But I do think that if people are able to work, then they should do so rather than sponge off the rest of us. That, indeed, is as good as stealing.

So it’s not stealing?

I think you will find that most people paying taxes feel the same way.

I know there are mugs that have been convinced their enemy is folk on benefits and not those evading in billions in taxes in various wheezes.

Remember OB we know you’ve got form in this regard in wanting to steamroller workers rights and conditions.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...4&postcount=31

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

“If” followed by “of course”. Priceless.



I’m free to ridicule your spurious and unevidenced claims all I please. The most immediate issue is the fall in the pound, immediately giving everyone in a cost of living crisis greater inflationary pressure for anything which the baseline cost is either euro or dollars. I dunno, like oil.



So it’s not stealing?





I know there are mugs that have been convinced their enemy is folk on benefits and not those evading in billions in taxes in various wheezes.

Remember OB we know you’ve got form in this regard in wanting to steamroller workers rights and conditions.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...4&postcount=31

What this is, is a complete evasion of the points I made. I am not indulging you on this. I consider the post to which you are referring as unanswered.

Suits me.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

What this is, is a complete evasion of the points I made. I am not indulging you on this. I consider the post to which you are referring as unanswered.

Suits me.

You may consider it as such but the rebuttal is clear, Comical Ali. Your post is baseless speculation, grounded in unhinged hope more than reality.

If it weren’t for your seething hatred for the poor I’d be genuinely worried about your state of mind. However you aren’t worthy of my concern.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

You may consider it as such but the rebuttal is clear, Comical Ali. Your post is baseless speculation, grounded in unhinged hope more than reality.

If it weren’t for your seething hatred for the poor I’d be genuinely worried about your state of mind. However you aren’t worthy of my concern.

Yes, you rebut it, but as usual, you offer no explanation.

This is meant to be a discussion. So discuss.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Yes, you rebut it, but as usual, you offer no explanation.

This is meant to be a discussion. So discuss.

OB the last time you had a boozy night on the forum I got a 24 hour ban from the thread so this is my final post for now. You state on one hand you aren’t indulging me, yet needlessly continue your tit for tat despite ignoring the point I made about the inflationary pressure on the cost of living resulting from the fall in the value of the pound.

Thus we can only conclude you have no meaningful insight to offer other than your insults of “lefties”, “the poor” and baseless speculation about the income of forum members with whom you disagree.

Your bitterness that Boris was ousted - by his party and not anyone else - as a justification for abandoning the manifesto, abandoning fiscal rules, saddling future generations with more debt for little/nothing in terms of future stability.

They’re at the roulette wheel with money we don’t even have and you’re blindly following.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

You may consider it as such but the rebuttal is clear, Comical Ali. Your post is baseless speculation, grounded in unhinged hope more than reality.

If it weren’t for your seething hatred for the poor I’d be genuinely worried about your state of mind. However you aren’t worthy of my concern.

You usually make good points, John. But OB has already said, very clearly, that he doesn't hate the poor. Indeed he, like most of us, have no reason to.

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Originally Posted by jfman

OB the last time you had a boozy night on the forum I got a 24 hour ban from the thread so this is my final post for now. You state on one hand you aren’t indulging me, yet needlessly continue your tit for tat despite ignoring the point I made about the inflationary pressure on the cost of living resulting from the fall in the value of the pound.

Thus we can only conclude you have no meaningful insight to offer other than your insults of “lefties”, “the poor” and baseless speculation about the income of forum members with whom you disagree.

Your bitterness that Boris was ousted - by his party and not anyone else - as a justification for abandoning the manifesto, abandoning fiscal rules, saddling future generations with more debt for little/nothing in terms of future stability.

They’re at the roulette wheel with money we don’t even have and you’re blindly following.

Ah - "lefties"......

As regards the roulette wheel, as I've already said, they might as well roll the dice because doing nothing is just as disastrous.

[Dave42]

torygraph saying Liz Truss faces a rebellion from Tory backbenchers against her tax cuts if the pound falls below the dollar

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Dave42

torygraph saying Liz Truss faces a rebellion from Tory backbenchers against her tax cuts if the pound falls below the dollar

$1.09 to the £ I do not think I have ever seen it this low

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Jaymoss

$1.09 to the £ I do not think I have ever seen it this low

Good job I’m not going to the US in the near future. I am however going to Spain in a couple of weeks and that’s fine as the Euro is also in the toilet.

[jfman]

€1.12 the lowest it’s been all year.