Britain outside the EU

BREAKING: Liz Truss is considering plans to trigger Article 16 within days of becoming PM, according to govt insiders.

UK facing critical Sep 15 deadline with EU. Truss campaign insists she still wants negotiated solution to NI protocol - Financial Times.

[Taf]

New rules for visitors to the EU are due to come into force by the end of May next year.
The system will mean travellers from outside the bloc must have their fingerprints scanned and photograph taken, instead of having their passport manually stamped.

Link to above story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62728618

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: Liz Truss is considering plans to trigger Article 16 within days of becoming PM, according to govt insiders.

UK facing critical Sep 15 deadline with EU. Truss campaign insists she still wants negotiated solution to NI protocol - Financial Times.

Good for her!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Good for her!

Better to use the agreed course of action like Article 16 than tear up the agreement unilaterally. But do we really want to fall out with our largest trading partners the EU at a time of rampant inflation and a common aggressive enemy? Thatcher used tact and diplomacy as well as threats; Truss needs to acquire the former skills sharpish!

[Sephiroth]

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...border-checks/

“EES will replace the current system of manual stamping of passports, which is time-consuming, does not provide reliable data on border crossings and does not allow a systematic detection of over-stayers (travellers who have exceeded the maximum duration of their authorised stay),” the European Commission’s Migration and Home Affairs notes.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/new...border-checks/

Large numbers of Albanians have been entering the EU illegally, and many are trying to cross the English Channel. They have been a thorn in the backside for the French police.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Good for her!

so would you want a trade war OB it wont be us that wins if there is one

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Better to use the agreed course of action like Article 16 than tear up the agreement unilaterally. But do we really want to fall out with our largest trading partners the EU at a time of rampant inflation and a common aggressive enemy? Thatcher used tact and diplomacy as well as threats; Truss needs to acquire the former skills sharpish!

I'd rather not fall out with the EU, but we can't put up with being pushed around either. We've been trying for some time to get an agreement to get the protocol working as it should and we've had nothing but obstruction. It is hurting the Northern Ireland economy, its businesses and even preventing Stormont from sitting.

We cannot go on like this, and in the absence of co-operation we have to do what is best for us. Our proposals do not affect the EU's ability to prevent the wrong goods getting in. They are simply being obstinate.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

so would you want a trade war OB it wont be us that wins if there is one

I didn't say that.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I'd rather not fall out with the EU, but we can't put up with being pushed around either. We've been trying for some time to get an agreement to get the protocol working as it should and we've had nothing but obstruction. It is hurting the Northern Ireland economy, its businesses and even preventing Stormont from sitting.

We cannot go on like this, and in the absence of co-operation we have to do what is best for us. Our proposals do not affect the EU's ability to prevent the wrong goods getting in. They are simply being obstinate.

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I didn't say that.

Your assertion is counter-factual…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62398680

Brexit: Northern Ireland Protocol gives temporary economic boost

By John Campbell

BBC News NI Economics & Business Editor

Published 3 August

The Northern Ireland Protocol has given the region's economy a temporary boost, a think tank has said.

The National Institute for Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said the boost was unlikely to be sustained without more investment in the region.

It said Northern Ireland's economic output had slightly outperformed the UK average since the end of 2019.

The reason Stormont isn’t sitting is because the DUP have taken the hump with a legal agreement (NI Protocol) signed by the U.K. Government - as the article states

it would "set a dangerous precedent to respond to the refusal of one side to participate in the institutions by providing a concession in their favour, especially one which would run contrary to the views and interests of the majority".

Sounds as if you are supporting the anti-democratic DUP…

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I'd rather not fall out with the EU, but we can't put up with being pushed around either. We've been trying for some time to get an agreement to get the protocol working as it should and we've had nothing but obstruction. It is hurting the Northern Ireland economy, its businesses and even preventing Stormont from sitting.

We cannot go on like this, and in the absence of co-operation we have to do what is best for us. Our proposals do not affect the EU's ability to prevent the wrong goods getting in. They are simply being obstinate.

The Northern Ireland Assembly is not running because the DUP are boycotting it, ostensibly because they don't like Johnson's Northern Ireland Protocol. The EU is not preventing Stormont from working.

If we fall out with the EU then we fall out with the US and we don't want to do either. Especially with rampant inflation.

The Protocol is actually helping the Northern Ireland economy - it's the only part of the UK apart from London to have shown growth. Perhaps the rest of the UK would have done the same if we'd stayed in the Single Market as Daniel Hanan said we would?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I'd rather not fall out with the EU, but we can't put up with being pushed around either. We've been trying for some time to get an agreement to get the protocol working as it should and we've had nothing but obstruction. It is hurting the Northern Ireland economy, its businesses and even preventing Stormont from sitting.

We cannot go on like this, and in the absence of co-operation we have to do what is best for us. Our proposals do not affect the EU's ability to prevent the wrong goods getting in. They are simply being obstinate.

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I didn't say that.

i know you didn't OB was asking the question that's all surely be better to talk to EU and try sort it instead of trying to stir up the tension which it looks like Truss is trying to to does not do either side any good

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Sounds as if you are supporting the anti-democratic DUP…

The same DUP that spent £435k on newspaper adverts in another country's newspaper (Metro, not available in NI) to encourage people to vote for Brexit that many believe was not its own money.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...aign-1.4320055

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The same DUP that spent £435k on newspaper adverts in another country's newspaper (Metro, not available in NI) to encourage people to vote for Brexit that many believe was not its own money.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...aign-1.4320055

I didn’t take you for an Irish nationalist Andrew.

Mainland GB may be beyond the usual election territory of the DUP but as I’m sure you’re very well aware, a referendum is not an election and the DUP does not consider Great Britain to be another country.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Your assertion is counter-factual…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62398680



The reason Stormont isn’t sitting is because the DUP have taken the hump with a legal agreement (NI Protocol) signed by the U.K. Government - as the article states

Sounds as if you are supporting the anti-democratic DUP…

What I am saying is that we should do what is best for Britain.

And while the NI economy may have improved, that is despite the EU intransigence and the unnecessary bureaucracy they have imposed. Without that, they would do even better.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

i know you didn't OB was asking the question that's all surely be better to talk to EU and try sort it instead of trying to stir up the tension which it looks like Truss is trying to to does not do either side any good

Yes, but what do you think we have been doing all this time? The EU just put up barriers and stick their fingers in their ears.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The same DUP that spent £435k on newspaper adverts in another country's newspaper (Metro, not available in NI) to encourage people to vote for Brexit that many believe was not its own money.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...aign-1.4320055

Some people didn't realise how childish and awkward the EU would be because they were classed as our 'friends'.

Had both sides co-operated with each other, the DUP would not have got the hump, would they?