Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So 10% of the population isn’t more representative of the British public than 0.3% of the population, especially if "many of them are conservative anyway"?

Neither are representative of the British public, you know that.

At the moment you could consider me a conservative ( not always been the case) but would I join the Conservative party……….No……..or any party for that matter.

I have worked everyday (not “every day” for the pedants but you know what I mean) of my life since I was 17, and never joined a union (although I was pressured to when I was young). I don’t doubt their importance over history, but in my lifetime I’ve considered them a bit of a racket. They may have a resurgence.

Any attempt to align politically motivated groups as representative of the population is tosh. The vast majority of the population are in the centre, only think about it every 5 years and will vote for whoever is not the biggest knobhead.

Originally Posted by Pierre

The vast majority of the population are in the centre, only think about it every 5 years and will vote for whoever is not the biggest knobhead.

British voting for dummies, page 1, chapter 1. Which far too few anoraks, activists and pundits ever seem to bother reading.

[OLD BOY]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Minister.html

It’s going to be Liz who gets the vote of Conservative members. A good choice, judging on how she is conducting her campaign. She’s the one who will put us on the new path to achieving the manifesto.

The general public don’t see this yet, but in the end, she will carry the Conservatives through to the next election. Fasten your seat belts!

[EXTRACT]

Tory leadership contender Liz Truss plans to evoke the spirit of Margaret Thatcher and solidify Whitehall's control of the economy if handed the keys to 10 Downing Street, it was revealed last night.

Ms Truss, who has shot into pole position as the frontrunner for the Prime Minister's hotseat, is considering the formation of a 'supergroup' of allies to lead the Treasury into the next generation.

Key allies including Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng, Brexit Opportunities minister Jacob Rees-Mogg and veteran MP John Redwood are said to be in line for formal positions under any cabinet led by Britain's third female PM.

According to sources, Ms Truss will also work to tackle 'groupthink' prevalent within the Treasury and increase the number of economic advisers working in Downing Street.

She has already set lofty targets of 2.5 per cent economic growth per year, and laid out an ambitious plan to help would-be homeowners with Bank of England measures that could allow rent payments to be used in future mortgage assessments.

A campaign insider told the Telegraph: 'Liz rightly thinks we can’t have failed, business as usual economic policy and won’t be captured by Treasury groupthink.

'She will be bold on the economy and will lower taxes, keep tight control of spending, and push through supply-side reforms that will create higher growth and more sustainable growth.'

The Left will hate this and I can hear the cries of anguish already.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Minister.html

It’s going to be Liz who gets the vote of Conservative members. A good choice, judging on how she is conducting her campaign. She’s the one who will put us on the new path to achieving the manifesto.

The general public don’t see this yet, but in the end, she will carry the Conservatives through to the next election. Fasten your seat belts!

[EXTRACT]

Tory leadership contender Liz Truss plans to evoke the spirit of Margaret Thatcher and solidify Whitehall's control of the economy if handed the keys to 10 Downing Street, it was revealed last night.

Ms Truss, who has shot into pole position as the frontrunner for the Prime Minister's hotseat, is considering the formation of a 'supergroup' of allies to lead the Treasury into the next generation.

Key allies including Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng, Brexit Opportunities minister Jacob Rees-Mogg and veteran MP John Redwood are said to be in line for formal positions under any cabinet led by Britain's third female PM.

According to sources, Ms Truss will also work to tackle 'groupthink' prevalent within the Treasury and increase the number of economic advisers working in Downing Street.

She has already set lofty targets of 2.5 per cent economic growth per year, and laid out an ambitious plan to help would-be homeowners with Bank of England measures that could allow rent payments to be used in future mortgage assessments.

A campaign insider told the Telegraph: 'Liz rightly thinks we can’t have failed, business as usual economic policy and won’t be captured by Treasury groupthink.

'She will be bold on the economy and will lower taxes, keep tight control of spending, and push through supply-side reforms that will create higher growth and more sustainable growth.'

The Left will hate this and I can hear the cries of anguish already.

Can you explain how employing more Downing Street advisors sits with your cutting costs fetish?

She has already set lofty targets of 2.5 per cent economic growth per year

https://www.ey.com/en_uk/news/2022/0...em-club-report 20 Jul 2022

UK GDP forecast to grow 3.7% in 2022 and 1% in 2023, a downgrade from May’s 4.1% and 1.9% growth expectations

2024 forecast upgraded to 2.4% growth, from 2.2% predicted in spring, as economy makes up some lost ground

Since EY forecast an average growth of 2.36% over 2022-24, it’s not clear how 2.5% is a "lofty target"?

Here’s hoping the "supply-side reforms" don’t turn into another Kansa Experiment…

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Minister.html

It’s going to be Liz who gets the vote of Conservative members. A good choice, judging on how she is conducting her campaign. She’s the one who will put us on the new path to achieving the manifesto.

The general public don’t see this yet, but in the end, she will carry the Conservatives through to the next election. Fasten your seat belts!

[EXTRACT]

Tory leadership contender Liz Truss plans to evoke the spirit of Margaret Thatcher and solidify Whitehall's control of the economy if handed the keys to 10 Downing Street, it was revealed last night.

Ms Truss, who has shot into pole position as the frontrunner for the Prime Minister's hotseat, is considering the formation of a 'supergroup' of allies to lead the Treasury into the next generation.

Key allies including Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng, Brexit Opportunities minister Jacob Rees-Mogg and veteran MP John Redwood are said to be in line for formal positions under any cabinet led by Britain's third female PM.

According to sources, Ms Truss will also work to tackle 'groupthink' prevalent within the Treasury and increase the number of economic advisers working in Downing Street.

She has already set lofty targets of 2.5 per cent economic growth per year, and laid out an ambitious plan to help would-be homeowners with Bank of England measures that could allow rent payments to be used in future mortgage assessments.

A campaign insider told the Telegraph: 'Liz rightly thinks we can’t have failed, business as usual economic policy and won’t be captured by Treasury groupthink.

'She will be bold on the economy and will lower taxes, keep tight control of spending, and push through supply-side reforms that will create higher growth and more sustainable growth.'

The Left will hate this and I can hear the cries of anguish already.

it gonna be utter carnage OB man what cuts she gonna make for her tax cuts promises it be austerity on steroids

[Qtx]

Get a feeling that when one of them gets in power, some sort of war is going to be on the table quite quickly.

Civil disobedience is in the air over many things including energy prices and it wouldn't surprise me if a war to distract people and turn attention away from government and unite them against a different enemy will be a new PM's first call of order

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Can you explain how employing more Downing Street advisors sits with your cutting costs fetish?

It will just be more borrowing to pass the problem onto future administrations.

If she can't run a tight ship on the adviser front, don't expect her to be able to run a tight ship anywhere else!

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.ey.com/en_uk/news/2022/0...em-club-report 20 Jul 2022



Since EY forecast an average growth of 2.36% over 2022-24, it’s not clear how 2.5% is a "lofty target"?

Here’s hoping the "supply-side reforms" don’t turn into another Kansa Experiment…

Well, Hugh, I'm surprised that I am being questioned on that by you.

As you well know, the economic forecast is for 1% growth next year. 2.5% was a bigger figure than 1% when I went to school. However, Diane Abbot may want to argue with me about that (I do hope that you will agree with me, not her, on that).

Comparing this with May's target is ridiculous, by the way. We didn't have a war between Russia and Ukraine back then.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

it gonna be utter carnage OB man what cuts she gonna make for her tax cuts promises it be austerity on steroids

The kind of cuts that do not impact on services.

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Originally Posted by Qtx

Get a feeling that when one of them gets in power, some sort of war is going to be on the table quite quickly.

Civil disobedience is in the air over many things including energy prices and it wouldn't surprise me if a war to distract people and turn attention away from government and unite them against a different enemy will be a new PM's first call of order

The only war that is likely is one with the hard Left. Arthur Scargill tried that once, you know.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It will just be more borrowing to pass the problem onto future administrations.

If she can't run a tight ship on the adviser front, don't expect her to be able to run a tight ship anywhere else!

You misunderstand. Unfortunately, many people on the Left of politics cannot grasp that you can pay down debt by growing the economy. The well being of future generations is in much better hands with the Conservatives in power that if Labour were calling the shots. You know very well that they are the ones with the reputation of being high-spending and selling off all the family fortune to solve short-term problems.

Comparing this with May's target is ridiculous, by the way. We didn't have a war between Russia and Ukraine back then.

Russia invaded Ukraine on the 24th February.

Also, the phrase used was ‘per year’, not ‘next year’…

However, Naidine Dorries may want to argue with me about that (I do hope that you will agree with me, not her, on that).

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Russia invaded Ukraine on the 24th February.

Also, the phrase used was ‘per year’, not ‘next year’…

The fuel issue was not present at that time. The 'war' in Ukraine started in 2014 if I remember correctly, with Russia's takeover of Crimea. But that was well before we were so heavily involved.

'Per year' includes 2023, doesn't it?

But is not exclusive to it, so that is why I put an average over three years…

The current conflict started in February, and sanctions were imposed at the end of February/early March.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But is not exclusive to it, so that is why I put an average over three years…

The current conflict started in February, and sanctions were imposed at the end of February/early March.

Hugh, please stop splitting hairs. You would be the first person to highlight it if she didn't reach 2.5% in 2023.

At least let's be consistent. You are also the first to point out any inconsistencies in the posts of your political opponents on CF..

[GrimUpNorth]

I think most of us watching from the outside can see neither candidate really gives two hoots about the economy or anyone who's not a paid up member of the party. They will say and do whatever they need to say or do to win the vote. I don't understand some people here, they were very quick to call out what they saw as unrealistic proposals from Labour at the last GE but seem blinded to the same outlandishly stupid promises from their own party. One day someone will do a PhD on the reasons for this strange behaviour.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I think most of us watching from the outside can see neither candidate really gives two hoots about the economy or anyone who's not a paid up member of the party. They will say and do whatever they need to say or do to win the vote. I don't understand some people here, they were very quick to call out what they saw as unrealistic proposals from Labour at the last GE but seem blinded to the same outlandishly stupid promises from their own party. One day someone will do a PhD on the reasons for this strange behaviour.

Except that, contrary to what you have strongly implied in your post, Liz knows how she will pay it back.

Go down Rishi’s route and there will not be enough money to help people with their bills. Is that what you want?

Liz Truss intends to cut bills, by such measures as removing the green levy and reducing tax on petrol, which is non-inflationary because that brings prices down. It will be paid for in a number of ways, for example by using existing headroom in the economy, by growing the economy, and making the UK a more attractive offer for investors.