Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You sort of have a point there, Mr, K. The red wall voters may take to Mordaunt but, imo, they would spit on Starmer

Recent elections and opinion polls suggest otherwise. The red wall has evaporated and a yellow one is appearing down south. Even Wokingham is looking marginal

[tweetiepooh]

I think a lot of people voted for Boris. He was a character and someone you may like to go to the pub with. Those coming in are just typical politicos, none really stand out either in ability or personality. Those that have some personality probably lack ability and the ones who may be able are a bit grey. Maybe Boris' real family was Beeblebrox.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

I think a lot of people voted for Boris. He was a character and someone you may like to go to the pub with. Those coming in are just typical politicos, none really stand out either in ability or personality. Those that have some personality probably lack ability and the ones who may be able are a bit grey. Maybe Boris' real family was Beeblebrox.

Gets me why people are obsessed with personality anyway. I blame X Factor celebrity come dancing on ice. They voted for an entertaining clown and thats what they got. Trouble is its wrecked the country. Not so entertaining now.

Somebody competent and can do the job maybe? Just like any other job.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Recent elections and opinion polls suggest otherwise. The red wall has evaporated and a yellow one is appearing down south. Even Wokingham is looking marginal

Yup, Redwood failed to lead on calling-out Johnson and the young hard-working folk of Wokingham may well have noticed this.

BREAKING: ITV will hold a live television debate with the Conservative leadership candidates next Sunday at 7pm. The debate will take place at ITV's White City studios. - Peston.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Recent elections and opinion polls suggest otherwise. The red wall has evaporated and a yellow one is appearing down south. Even Wokingham is looking marginal

It’s nothing like that at all, Tory voters remained at home. That’s how they won. By-elections prove Jack shit, given historical events, specifically Thatcher era, showed Tories won landslide despite losing several by-elections mid term.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

BREAKING: ITV will hold a live television debate with the Conservative leadership candidates next Sunday at 7pm. The debate will take place at ITV's White City studios. - Peston.

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It’s nothing like that at all, Tory voters remained at home. That’s how they won. By-elections prove Jack shit, given historical events, specifically Thatcher era, showed Tories won landslide despite losing several by-elections mid term.

And the opinion polls , have Tory voters stayed at home there too?

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 45% (+2)
CON: 31% (-4)
LDEM: 11% (-)
GRN: 3% (+1)

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@Survation
, 06 Jul

The Tories do seem to think the next election is in the bag whatever they do.

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Damien

The Tories do seem to think the next election is in the bag whatever they do.

I dont agree with certain things from either parties but I think a change is definately needed. Too many old boys with too much money who have no clue about real world living.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...eadership-bid/

Rees-Mogg to enter? Presumably on a policy to reintroduce chimney sweeps

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...eadership-bid/

Rees-Mogg to enter? Presumably on a policy to reintroduce chimney sweeps

Good i could use one

[Julian]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Good i could use one

I have a good one but he's based in Falmouth so no good for you sorry.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Julian

I have a good one but he's based in Falmouth so no good for you sorry.

The kids are too big to get up there these days too much junk food

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Julian

Are any of the candidates actually Conservative?

Or are they all wannabe blairs.

Pretty obvious that any candidate that retains pro leave, controlled immigration stance ( on which the tories were elected ) is going to be mercilessly attacked by the usual sections of the MSM.

The tories need to realise that unless they get something out of the next GE they face political oblivion forever.

As is most likely, a lib-lab pact will continue as it has already started bringing even more gimmegrants, votes for 16 year olds and no holds on green taxes which are crippling the economy.

Only way that pact will happen imo is with a proper system of proportional representation coming in with it, which suits me fine, no more minority governments dragging the country down with agendas or ideology

Originally Posted by Damien

Then why do you think the candidates are appealing to the membership with tax cuts and culture war issues as their focus rather than Brexit? All of them will say they support Brexit now it's done. None of them would dare try to reverse it or they'll be turfed out by their own party ASAP.

If Boris Johnson was the victim of a Remoaner plot then why were two of his biggest detractors in getting him out key figures of the Leave campaigns? Dominic Cummings and Steve Baker. If Remoaners were so powerful in the Tory Party they would have deposed Johnson long ago. He went because of his own incompetence.

As for me talking with a forked tongue then why would I? I am not involved in the Tory Party, I have no incentive to lie about what I think their internal fights are about. Believe it or not, people who supported Remain are not all in a secret club where we do our plotting.

I wanted Remain, we lost, I would vote to Remain again but it's not my obsession now.

But there must be a secret conspiracy to thwart it, how else can the complete car crash be explained otherwise

Originally Posted by Damien

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...eadership-bid/

Rees-Mogg to enter? Presumably on a policy to reintroduce chimney sweeps

He's the answer to a question no one asked, bozo really did a good job of stuffing that cabinet with no marks, leightweights and z listers and why, so they'd ve loyal to him because everyone else would think them unemployable and unfit for government and even they still turned on him in the end

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Only way that pact will happen imo is with a proper system of proportional representation coming in with it, which suits me fine, no more minority governments dragging the country down with agendas or ideology.

Totally agree. If UKIP had been given a more proportionate share of seats compared to their votes, we wouldn't have had uncontrolled immigration from Eastern Europe which kickstarted Brexit.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

But there must be a secret conspiracy to thwart it, how else can the complete car crash be explained otherwise.

Shh, don't give the game away! Are you still on for that call with Soros at 7pm?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

He's the answer to a question no one asked, bozo really did a good job of stuffing that cabinet with no marks, light weights and z listers and why, so they'd be loyal to him because everyone else would think them unemployable and unfit for government and even they still turned on him in the end

Exactly.

BREAKING: NEW: 1922 committee election results:

Sir Graham Brady, chair
Nus Ghani & Will Wragg, vice Chairman

Executive:
Aaron Bell
Miriam Cates
Jo Gideon
Richard Graham
Chris Green
Robert Halfon
Sally-Ann Hart
Andrew Jones
Tom Randall
David Simmonds
John Stevenson
Martin Vickers

Three other 1922 vice chairs - Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, Bob Blackman and Gary Sambrook - were re-elected unopposed.

New 1922 committee executive is meeting *now* to decide leadership contest rules. Conservative party board then meets at 6:30pm to sign off. - Sebastian Payne, Financial Times.