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mrmistoffelees · 05-07-2022, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's it got to do with CPS at this stage?

Absolutely nothing whatsoever

FPNs go nowhere near the CPS possibly unless there's a contention at court/ non payment , but the CPS aren't involved in the decision to issue.

**Damien** · 05-07-2022, 16:15

Yeah, that's very odd. Did someone commit perjury (lying on the form itself would be perjury but I would be surprised if Labour's lawyers who had input would allow that to happen)? Are they going to issue a fine and want to make sure it's airtight?

I don't believe there were ever reports of the Met going to the CPS before their decisions. No way do the CPS have input on FPNs normally.

They must be gearing up for the fine though. No way do they meet the CPS ahead of saying no laws were broken.

papa smurf · 05-07-2022, 16:16

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What's it got to do with CPS at this stage?

Prosecution

**Damien** · 05-07-2022, 16:18

Never mind. It's normal in complex cases it seems and they did do it for Partygate: https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/stat...20846780669953

mrmistoffelees · 05-07-2022, 16:22

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Originally Posted by Damien

Never mind. It's normal in complex cases it seems and they did do it for Partygate: https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/stat...20846780669953

well, I was today years old when i learned that !

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this presents a very interesting situation.....

IF Starmer & Rayner were to be issued and subsequently resign, does this give the Tory rebels more ammunition to attack Boris with, and possibly get him out?

Sephiroth · 05-07-2022, 16:48

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

well, I was today years old when i learned that !

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this presents a very interesting situation.....

IF Starmer & Rayner were to be issued and subsequently resign, does this give the Tory rebels more ammunition to attack Boris with, and possibly get him out?

Icing on the cake!

1andrew1 · 05-07-2022, 17:01

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Icing on the cake!

Turns out there was no meeting with the CPS afterall.

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Update on today's beergate meeting: Durham Police say there was an internal meeting today to discuss the investigation and the next steps but the CPS was NOT involved. As others have pointed out that would be interesting as FPNs are issued by police - have deleted earlier tweet.

https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/statu...28279930376195

**Damien** · 05-07-2022, 17:02

Telegraph have retracted it: https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/statu...28279930376195

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Update on today's beergate meeting: Durham Police say there was an internal meeting today to discuss the investigation and the next steps but the CPS was NOT involved. As others have pointed out that would be interesting as FPNs are issued by police - have deleted earlier tweet.

papa smurf · 05-07-2022, 17:07

The cover up has begun.

Dave42 · 05-07-2022, 17:11

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

The cover up has begun.

could be someone is leaking false information too truth will out in end

1andrew1 · 05-07-2022, 17:14

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Originally Posted by Dave42

could be someone is leaking false information too truth will out in end

It's just Operation Save Big Dog. Spread some Starmer rumours again on social media to disguise Johnson's latest blunder.

Current blunder is he forgot he was briefed about Pincher.

Dave42 · 05-07-2022, 17:16

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's just Operation Save Big Dog. Spread some Starmer rumours again on social media to disguise Johnson's latest blunder.

Current blunder is he forgot he was briefed about Pincher.

yes think your totally right Andrew

1andrew1 · 05-07-2022, 17:41

This was an interesting read.

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The intervention by Lord McDonald this morning was quietly devastating.

Westminster is full of people who love shouting their mouth off.

Lord McDonald is not one of them.

A former senior civil servant not naturally attracted to microphones and cameras.

A man who in his interview on the Today Programme on Radio 4 had the demeanour and hesitancy of someone reticent to be talking publicly.

But a man who felt he had no other options, because, as he put it, No10 "are still not telling the truth".

And then, his most stinging line of all - accusing Downing Street of "telling the truth and crossing your fingers at the same time".

Day by day this means ministers are being sent out with lines to take that disintegrate within hours of them being said out loud - not only humiliating for the ministers concerned but toxic for trust in the leadership of the party, and the country.

And bubbling away underneath, increasing exasperation, from the cabinet down, within the Conservative Party, of the ongoing inability of Number 10 to actually focus on the business of government, rather than constantly firefighting crises about the prime minister's capacity to tell the truth.

Senior ministers who until very recently, the last 10 days, had assumed Boris Johnson would lead them into the next general election now aren't so sure.

And even those still supportive are worn down by what they see as the persistent own goals from Downing Street, which they regard as hard, even impossible to defend.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62049696

Julian · 05-07-2022, 17:46

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's just Operation Save Big Dog. Spread some Starmer rumours again on social media to disguise Johnson's latest blunder.

Current blunder is he forgot he was briefed about Pincher.

Is that like Wan forgetting the ginger slapper was at the curry party?

1andrew1 · 05-07-2022, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Julian

Is that like Wan forgetting the ginger slapper was at the curry party?

This is one of many Johnson takes on the story including:
- not aware of any allegations
- not aware of any specific allegations
- forgotten he was briefed on specific allegation

A bit different from someone not putting someone's name on a list, although the latter is obviously stupid.

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Originally Posted by Dave42

yes think your totally right Andrew

Wish I wasn't. It's just really embarrassing for the UK to have this person as our PM. It's gone past the humour stage.

Johnson's solution will doubtless be a call with Zelensky or another trip to Ukraine.