Britain outside the EU

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Seems like Waitrose are fully British on Bacon.

https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/shop/b...con_and_gammon

i seem to recall pig welfare issues with danish pigs that put the British public off Danish bacon.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I bet you've never heard of British Bacon because you've only ever seen Danish.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i seem to recall pig welfare issues with danish pigs that put the British public off Danish bacon.

These two statements then contradict each other a bit then.

When the Co-op switched they specifically said it was to support British farmers, there is nothing to say it was down to any quality concerns

http://www.npa-uk.org.uk/NPA_welcome...ish_bacon.html

Jo Whitfield, Co-op retail chief executive, said: “British consumers will be shocked to see how meat imports have grown while at the same time retailers hang out the bunting and claim to back British farmers.

"Only the Co-op offers 100% British fresh meat all year round and not just in the meat cabinet but also in our sandwiches, our pies and our ready meals.

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Unfortunately more recently it's been going in the opposite direction for some

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/sourcing...667711.article

However, some individual retailers appear to have more work to do, with Asda showing a fall from 44% to 36% for its bacon, while the percentage of British ham it sold fell from 40% to 26%. Iceland’s British bacon facings fell from 11% of its offering in March 2021 to zero in March 2022, while Lidl also saw a big drop in British bacon availability, from 47% to 29%.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Seems like Waitrose are fully British on Bacon.

https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/shop/b...con_and_gammon

I understand the gammon part but bacon still comes in from the EU, right?

[tweetiepooh]

I try to buy meat from the farmer's market which we used to have the biggest in the UK. But since the council resited it it's been dwindling and cost/effort have meant most meat sellers have now dropped out either just from the market but I know one who is no longer doing retail at all.
It's a shame as quality is usually much better than the major retailers and you can get cuts that the big boys are interested in. Plus you are supporting the producers directly. And I've found prices are often better than the supermarkets for equivalent quality.


(And they do sell bacon - nice dry cured, smoked bacon.)

[Dave42]

Breaking news: Economic growth in the UK will grind to a halt next year with only Russia, hobbled by western sanctions, performing worse among the G20 leading economies, the OECD forecast on Wednesday

https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/s...65573920333824

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Breaking news: Economic growth in the UK will grind to a halt next year with only Russia, hobbled by western sanctions, performing worse among the G20 leading economies, the OECD forecast on Wednesday

https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/s...65573920333824

Yes, proceeding as planned and as forecast. Who knew?

[jonbxx]

Bacon is one of the fun 'rules of origin' cases where British bacon might not be what it seems. The pork used to make bacon can come from anywhere. Once it is cured, the country of curing is the origin so 'British' bacon might not be made from British pigs.

There has recently been a wave of Swine Fever in Europe so there was a glut of pork on the market as farmers slaughtered their herds before they got infected and respective governments did it for them. If you bacon doesn't specifically say the pork came from British farms, the meat could have come from anywhere..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Yes, proceeding as planned and as forecast. Who knew?

Yeah, but I keep on getting told that Johnson got the major calls right.

[nomadking]

Comparing growth like that is misleading.That is why it is used.
We've already had previous growth and the others are catching up to a similar overall level.
Link

It means the UK will go from the second-fastest growing economy in the G7 group of industrial nations to the slowest growing in 2023.

What would be the situation if you compared prior to that point to one next year?
EG If X has an increase of 2% first year and 1% the next, and Y has an increase of 1% first year and 2% the next, they are comparable overall. Yet Y has a larger increase in the 2nd year, when looked at in isolation.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Comparing growth like that is misleading.That is why it is used.
We've already had previous growth and the others are catching up to a similar overall level.
Link
What would be the situation if you compared prior to that point to one next year?
EG If X has an increase of 2% first year and 1% the next, and Y has an increase of 1% first year and 2% the next, they are comparable overall. Yet Y has a larger increase in the 2nd year, when looked at in isolation.

Not sure that playing the OECD victim card works. They don't have it in for the UK.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Not sure that playing the OECD victim card works. They don't have it in for the UK.

So my theoretical example isn't valid? What's the betting, if the earlier UK figure had been low, but the later one was high, the media would be making the same point as me? It's easy to have high growth, if you're starting from a lower start point.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So my theoretical example isn't valid? What's the betting, if the earlier UK figure had been low, but the later one was high, the media would be making the same point as me? It's easy to have high growth, if you're starting from a lower start point.

I didn't give it any attention but happy to if you insist.

I don't want to be too harsh but it's hard to sugarcoat this one. Without real life data which exists, it's just a fantasy post.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I didn't give it any attention but happy to if you insist.

I don't want to be too harsh but it's hard to sugarcoat this one. Without real life data which exists, it's just a fantasy post.

Are you saying that my theoretical example doesn't have a real life equivalent? Ridiculously unlikely in the extreme.
As I pointed out, the UK was 2nd in the G7 at one point. That means 5 other countries were lower. If any of them are now higher, that would be a real life example of my point.

Link

For 2021 as a whole, UK GDP growth was 7.4%. This was the highest in the G7. The UK had the largest decline in GDP among the G7 in 2020 (-9.3%) and its relatively strong performance in 2021 was to some degree a recovery from weakness in 2020.
Please note that headline GDP growth figures across countries are not 100% comparable. For example, the UK takes a different approach to others in calculating output in the education and health sectors. This has resulted in the UK’s GDP growth figures being lower in 2020, and higher in 2021 (as this effect unwinds), compared with other G7 economies than they otherwise would have been.

[1andrew1]

A sensible comparison would be a graph of the G7 GDP per country from Feb 2020 to Feb 2022.
Predictions for 2023 are obviously just that and I hope they are wrong for the UK. But labour shortages are causing inflation and we are also less self-sufficient in energy than many of our peers so the predictions have a robust basis.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Dave42

Breaking news: Economic growth in the UK will grind to a halt next year with only Russia, hobbled by western sanctions, performing worse among the G20 leading economies, the OECD forecast on Wednesday

https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/s...65573920333824

Two areas of UK are predicted to grow, London and N Ireland...