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					Originally Posted by Pierre  Dear Lord, you cannot imagine the scale of the enormity of the toss (polite version) that I couldn't give about that. |  Yes but most normal people care about their Prime Minister being truthful. You don't, I get it, but most do.
		 
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					Originally Posted by ianch99  Yes but most normal people care about their Prime Minister being truthful. You don't, I get it, but most do. |  Maybe he's just being an incredibly brave boy and wants to understate the whole illness. I'm sure he's not the type to exaggerate to gain sympathy or a political advantage.    |  
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					Originally Posted by ianch99  Yes but most normal people care about their Prime Minister being truthful. You don't, I get it, but most do. |   Just like Blair he never lied did he   
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					Originally Posted by Itshim  Just like Blair he never lied did he  |  About nearly dying - no, he didn’t…
		 
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					Originally Posted by papa smurf    Defending Bliar now |  Why so shocked, lying is the PM's default position these days. Blair couldn't lay a finger on him in comparison.
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					Originally Posted by Hugh  About nearly dying - no, he didn’t… |  You can say what you want about Johnson, and be right. But whatever he may or may not have done is nowhere near the blood that Blair has on his hands through lies, never mind about misleading Parliament. 
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					Originally Posted by daveeb  Why so shocked, lying is the PM's default position these days. Blair couldn't lay a finger on him in comparison. |  Cake or War?
		 
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					Originally Posted by Hugh  I know, but quite a few announced publicly how they voted… 
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However, in the real world, 117 voted against May, and 148 against Johnson, so if you’re playing the percentages game, 26.5% more Tory MPs voted against Johnson… |  It doesn't matter a hang. If Johnson carries on regardless and achieves his manifesto, who in the Parliamentary party will be speaking against him then? Only the usual suspects (mainly remainers).
		 
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					Originally Posted by OLD BOY  It doesn't matter a hang. If Johnson carries on regardless and achieves his manifesto, who in the Parliamentary party will be speaking against him then? Only the usual suspects (mainly remainers). |  Was his manifesto - inflation and fuel prices out of control, the NHS in shreds, immigration massively high, taxes massively high ,  national debt at record highs,   empty shop shelves, strikes, lack of people prepared to work at min wage rates and a cost of living crisis? If so, carry on , he's a shoe in.... 
( and votes against have come from all parts of his divided party. The 'usual suspects' are most of his backbenchers - they are Turkeys and they see Xmas coming...)
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			After all we don't know what Tory MPs have been told by their constituents about the situation.It's their base support they will be listening to.
		 
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					Originally Posted by Mr K  Was his manifesto - inflation and fuel prices out of control, the NHS in shreds, immigration massively high, taxes massively high ,  national debt at record highs,   empty shop shelves, strikes, lack of people prepared to work at min wage rates and a cost of living crisis? |  That sounds like standard Labour policy.    
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					Originally Posted by Paul  That sounds like standard Labour policy.   |  Exactly ! but theres no vacancy for Labour leader atm.  
 Tbh wouldn't put it past him to change parties if it meant keeping the party pad and that lovely wallpaper....
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					Originally Posted by papa smurf    Defending Bliar now |  Making crap up now    
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					Originally Posted by OLD BOY  It doesn't matter a hang. If Johnson carries on regardless and achieves his manifesto, who in the Parliamentary party will be speaking against him then? Only the usual suspects (mainly remainers). |  
 
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					Originally Posted by Mr K  Was his manifesto - inflation and fuel prices out of control, the NHS in shreds, immigration massively high, taxes massively high ,  national debt at record highs,   empty shop shelves, strikes, lack of people prepared to work at min wage rates and a cost of living crisis? If so, carry on , he's a shoe in....( and votes against have come from all parts of his divided party. The 'usual suspects' are most of his backbenchers - they are Turkeys and they see Xmas coming...)
 |  Have you forgotten about Covid and Ukraine already? Yours are pretty crass examples. Neither Covid nor the war were foreseen, and they had to be paid for. 
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Exactly ! but theres no vacancy for Labour leader atm.  
 Tbh wouldn't put it past him to change parties if it meant keeping the party pad and that lovely wallpaper.... |  Ah right. So you are criticising Boris now for the furlough scheme and all the other support he put into fighting the disease, and you think that’s what Labour would have done. And do you agree with supporting Ukraine?
 
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