Britain outside the EU

And in two years we have had 4 times that amount…

https://www.health.org.uk/publicatio...a-proved-wrong

In a bad flu year on average around 30,000 people in the UK die from flu and pneumonia, with a loss of around 250,000 life years. This is a sixth of the life years lost to COVID-19.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And in two years we have had 4 times that amount…

https://www.health.org.uk/publicatio...a-proved-wrong

I think you will find we are in a much better situation now. We are not talking about two years ago, or one year ago. We are talking about this year, 2022.

[RichardCoulter]

Those interested in Brexit might find this programme on Monday interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001740w

It examines what they believe were the origins of Brexit.

In this programme Robert returns to the controversial Maastricht Treaty of 1992 which transformed Europe into a political union rather than just an economic one. This unleashed a civil war in the Conservative Party which has echoed down the ages and arguably resulted in Brexit. David Davies MP was in the thick of that battle as Chief Whip to Prime Minister John Major. He takes us back to pivotal moments of that drama when the future of the country hung in the balance and the consequences of which we're living with today.

[Itshim]

Should never have changed to political

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Those interested in Brexit might find this programme on Monday interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001740w

It examines what they believe were the origins of Brexit.

I have always thought that this treaty was like a red rag to a bull, and we did not vote for the EU we see today.

[1andrew1]

No one's realistically talking about re-joining the EU in the forseeable future.

But as people's disposable income is squeezed, I'm sure we'll start to read more articles like this one, ironically from the pro-Brexit City AM.

EU membership vs lost trade: Forget extra NHS cash, Brexit costs Britain £173m every week, or £1m per hour

Studying the latest Office for National Statistics (ONS) data and comparing the UK Government’s annual contributions to the EU versus lost EU exports by examining data for 2018, the last year before pre-Brexit preparations skewed data, and comparing it with 2021 figures, it turns out that far from bringing in £350m a week to lavish on the NHS, the UK as a whole is £9bn out of pocket.

https://www.cityam.com/eu-membership...173m-per-week/

[Carth]

Usual rubbish spouted by new journo . . well he looks about 20 in his pic.
Anyway, no mention of how Covid (remember that? ) has skewed any financial figures since 2018 . . clickbait article for the gullible, of which there are many

Originally Posted by Carth

Usual rubbish spouted by new journo . . well he looks about 20 in his pic.
Anyway, no mention of how Covid (remember that? ) has skewed any financial figures since 2018 . . clickbait article for the gullible, of which there are many

He’s been writing/reporting professionally since 2005…

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one's realistically talking about re-joining the EU in the forseeable future.

But as people's disposable income is squeezed, I'm sure we'll start to read more articles like this one, ironically from the pro-Brexit City AM.

https://www.cityam.com/eu-membership...173m-per-week/

Hmm.

Given these figures, the ONS said that the UK Government’s net contribution to the EU – that is, the difference between the money it paid to the EU and the money it received – was £11bn in 2018.
Compare this to the loss in exports to the EU. …

Why? They’re measuring two entirely different things.

One is UK government payments to the EU; the other is (alleged to be) the cost to the entire economy from reduced exports. Apples and pears. Makes a good headline though.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

He’s been writing/reporting professionally since 2005…

In which case he ought to know better than to simply regurgitate press releases, which is exactly what has happened here - uncritical parroting of material sent to him by the PR department of an international parcels company. Having been both a journalist and a PR officer, I know exactly how rigorously this has been “researched”.

This is a lazy piece of let’s-get-our-name-in-the-paper PR fluff, picked up by a lazy let’s- sack-this-off-and-get-to-the-pub hack.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Chris

<snippety>

In which case he ought to know better than to simply regurgitate press releases, which is exactly what has happened here - uncritical parroting of material sent to him by the PR department of an international parcels company. Having been both a journalist and a PR officer, I know exactly how rigorously this has been “researched”.

This is a lazy piece of let’s-get-our-name-in-the-paper PR fluff, picked up by a lazy let’s- sack-this-off-and-get-to-the-pub hack.

It looks as though I need to work on my phrasing, your descriptive powers certainly put mine to shame

Originally Posted by Chris

Hmm.



Why? They’re measuring two entirely different things.

One is UK government payments to the EU; the other is (alleged to be) the cost to the entire economy from reduced exports. Apples and pears. Makes a good headline though.

---------- Post added at 17:37 ---------- Previous post was at 17:33 ----------



In which case he ought to know better than to simply regurgitate press releases, which is exactly what has happened here - uncritical parroting of material sent to him by the PR department of an international parcels company. Having been both a journalist and a PR officer, I know exactly how rigorously this has been “researched”.

This is a lazy piece of let’s-get-our-name-in-the-paper PR fluff, picked up by a lazy let’s- sack-this-off-and-get-to-the-pub hack.

Agreed - it was "he looks like a 20 year old" I had disagreement with…

[1andrew1]

Interesting idea from Macron. To me it makes sense that one size does not fit all, in terms of European co-operation and trade.

Emmanuel Macron proposes new, broader European community
Victor Mallet in Paris

French president Emmanuel Macron has proposed a new European community of democracies that would be broader than the EU, and could include non-EU nations such as Ukraine and the post-Brexit UK.

In a speech to the European Parliament in Strasbourg on Monday, Macron said it would take years or even decades for countries such as Ukraine to become EU members, even when they had been accepted as candidates.

“The European Union, given the level of its integration and ambition, cannot be in the short term the only means of structuring the European continent,” he said, recalling that former president François Mitterrand had proposed a European federation that would have included Russia as the Soviet Union collapsed in 1989.

“It’s our historic obligation to respond to that today and to create what I would call a European political community,” Macron said. “This new European organisation would allow European democratic nations adhering to our core values to find a new space for co-operation on politics, security, energy, transport, infrastructure investments and the movement of people, especially the young.”

https://www.ft.com/content/4b4ad184-...a-8e698ab3ec3c

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Interesting idea from Macron. To me it makes sense that one size does not fit all, in terms of European co-operation and trade.


https://www.ft.com/content/4b4ad184-...a-8e698ab3ec3c

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[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Carth

Usual rubbish spouted by new journo . . well he looks about 20 in his pic.
Anyway, no mention of how Covid (remember that? ) has skewed any financial figures since 2018 . . clickbait article for the gullible, of which there are many

So many indeed. I think gullible is a kind description of those who think Covid is responsible for the crash in EU exports since the beginning of 2020.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

So many indeed. I think gullible is a kind description of those who think Covid is responsible for the crash in EU exports since the beginning of 2020.

Who said it was?