Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

Originally Posted by Carth

Women keep screaming for equal rights, now we shouldn't treat them the same?

They are not the same though, for reasons as explained in my post above.

[Pierre]

Just happy to part of the tyrannical patriarchy that is obviously oppressing Angela Rayner, that Ben feels he needs to protect, which by his own actions is actually demeaning Angela Rayners own agency thus proving he too is actually part of the tyrannical patriarchy.

Only a member of the tyrannical patriarchy would think supporting someone is being demeaning to the person being supported, because that’s how a member of the tyrannical patriarchy would view it, as they couldn’t comprehend there being no ulterior motive behind the support…

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Only a member of the tyrannical patriarchy would think supporting someone is being demeaning to the person being supported, because that’s how a member of the tyrannical patriarchy would view it, as they couldn’t comprehend there being no ulterior motive behind the support…

Only a member of the tyrannical patriarchy would accuse another person of being part of the tyrannical patriarchy by not comprehending there being no ulterior motive behind the support given by another member of the tyrannical patriarchy to a senior MP that didn’t need it…. hope that helps.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

You could have just said 'Give it a rest'.

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Adding 'man' and 'woman' are different and understanding why isn't anything to do with 'countless gender arguments'.

Adding ‘man’ or ‘woman’ indicates that you are addressing a ‘man’ or ‘woman’, surely? I see nothing offensive about that.

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Originally Posted by Mick

Yes, but you’re a man telling another man to shut up, saying it to the opposite sex, could be construed as chauvinistic or misogyny.

I don’t think so, Mick. To be honest , if a woman said to me ‘Giveit a rest, man’ I would not be offended.

Seriously, Mick, would you?

No woman is ashamed of being a woman, so why would she be offended by being referred to what she is? Unless she is trans, I suppose.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Adding ‘man’ or ‘woman’ indicates that you are addressing a ‘man’ or ‘woman’, surely? I see nothing offensive about that.

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I don’t think so, Mick. To be honest , if a woman said to me ‘Giveit a rest, man’ I would not be offended.

Seriously, Mick, would you?

No woman is ashamed of being a woman, so why would she be offended by being referred to what she is? Unless she is trans, I suppose.

'man' is a colloquial term in both the UK and USA for different meanings. 'Oh man' and 'way aye man' don't always directly refer to a male person.

'woman' doesn't have the same equivalent, so 'Shut up woman' is much more sexist than 'Shut up man'

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

'man' is a colloquial term in both the UK and USA for different meanings. 'Oh man' and 'way aye man' don't always directly refer to a male person.

'woman' doesn't have the same equivalent, so 'Shut up woman' is much more sexist than 'Shut up man'

If a woman says "shut up woman" to a woman, is that sexist?

If a woman says "shut up man" to a man, is that sexist?

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If a woman says "shut up woman" to a woman, is that sexist?

It's possible yes. Internalised negative attitudes are a thing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_sexism, however I'm not personally aware of a woman who would use that phrase in any version of intent.

If a woman says "shut up man" to a man, is that sexist?

As I said the usage in language is different, so it's less likely but it's also possible depending on the intent.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

It's possible yes. Internalised negative attitudes are a thing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_sexism, however I'm not personally aware of a woman who would use that phrase in any version of intent.

As I said the usage in language is different, so it's less likely but it's also possible depending on the intent.

In other words, it's all up in the air and a potential minefield of interpretation.

[BenMcr]

And so back to 'Give it a rest' is all that was needed to get the point across while avoiding said minefield.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

It's possible yes.

Why not ask a woman? Rather than speaking on their behalf, as a man. Which seems to happen a lot.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Why not ask a woman? Rather than speaking on their behalf, as a man. Which seems to happen a lot.

When did I say I'm speaking on behalf of anyone specific or in general?

Originally Posted by Pierre

Only a member of the tyrannical patriarchy would accuse another person of being part of the tyrannical patriarchy by not comprehending there being no ulterior motive behind the support given by another member of the tyrannical patriarchy to a senior MP that didn’t need it…. hope that helps.

Well, seeing as it’s very unlikely that Angela Rayner is a member of CF, so her awareness or lack of awareness and any unposited need or lack of need are purely hypothetical, and considering BenMcr didn’t actually offer her his support, and as your attempts at casuistry are resulting in word salad dressed in vinaigrette gibberish, your point (for lack of a better word) is moot…

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, seeing as it’s very unlikely that Angela Rayner is a member of CF, so her awareness or lack of awareness and any unposited need or lack of need are purely hypothetical, and considering BenMcr didn’t actually offer her his support, and as your attempts at casuistry are resulting in word salad dressed in vinaigrette gibberish, your point (for lack of a better word) is moot…

hope that helps

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

When did I say I'm speaking on behalf of anyone specific or in general?

You didn’t, but by your actions you are.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Well, seeing as it’s very unlikely that Angela Rayner is a member of CF

agreed

so her awareness or lack of awareness and any unposited need or lack of need are purely hypothetical

agreed

and considering BenMcr didn’t actually offer her his support

Well no, he chastised me for using the phrase “give it a rest woman” against her. Which I thought was pretty innocuous. But he went on the offensive………..not me.

and as your attempts at casuistry are resulting in word salad dressed in vinaigrette gibberish, your point (for lack of a better word) is moot…

Well, the vinaigrette word salad as you put it, was clearly propositioned by yourself. I just responded in kind to the absurdity of your post……..hope that helps. …….would you like me to find a suitable GIF for you?

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

When did I say I'm speaking on behalf of anyone specific or in general?

You didn’t, but why feel the need to chastise me for a phrase if you have no reason too?

If you don’t care………..then don’t care.


Do you care? If you do care then explain why you do.