Russia has invaded Ukraine
08-03-2022, 23:39
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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If we can use this as an excuse to overhaul our current energy situation……good.
Net Zero is an expensive luxury and fallacy. We have, as a nation, reserves of Gas, Coal and Oil………as well as Wind……we also don’t exploit tidal enough. The one renewable that’s is consistent and predictable.
We could, with the right investment be energy independent, and we should be.
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08-03-2022, 23:43
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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As he well should be. Gas is going to be in our domestic energy mix for well over a decade, possibly two. It was always absurd to be bowing to the spittle-flecked demands of crusties who would never be happy with anything short of a return to the Iron Age; in declining to exploit our own natural resources, all we have done is make ourselves dependent on others. We still need the gas, we might as well control where we get it.
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08-03-2022, 23:57
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Fitch downgrades Russian credit rating to imminent default.
“The ‘C’ rating reflects Fitch’s view that a sovereign default is imminent,” the credit agency said in a statement. - Kyiv Independent
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09-03-2022, 00:54
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Small arms ( In the great scheme of things) stuff they could probably procure from anywhere.
It’s not provocative because if it didn’t come from NATO/ NATO nations, it could come from anywhere.
Jet fighters however, are not the kind of thing you just pick up on the black market from arms dealers……you can …….but maybe one or two and god knows the age /quality….but Poland has offered operational MIGs, to the US to give to the Ukraine in return for US jets.
That is not small arms and equipment, and it’s NATO, whatever way you spin it.
I don’t think it will happen, I hope it doesn’t.
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Pretty sure that since it’s been widely publicised that arms supplies are coming from Belgium, Canada, the Czech Republic, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, U.K., and the United States, that fact will not have escaped the FSB’s attention, and with the widely-reported fact that the EU has earmarked €450 million for lethal arms, which include air-defense systems, anti-tank weapons, ammunition to Ukraine, that horse may have already bolted…
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine...yiv/a-60772390
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/w...ne-russia.html
The planes idea is unlikely to fly, anyway…
https://twitter.com/jacquiheinrich/s...972800527?s=21
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09-03-2022, 05:27
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
Just been claimed on TV that some adult children in Ukraine have telephoned their parents in Russia to tell them what's going on and they don't believe them!
They must be so brainwashed that they believe Russian propaganda over their own offspring!!!
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09-03-2022, 06:30
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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It's a vote loser, and that's what matters with Boris, so it won't happen. All very well fracking in the massive open spaces of the US, but it doesn't work on a crowded island. Then of course there's the environment which is still a bigger threat to everyone on the planet than even the current crisis. Time to turn the thermostat down and put a jumper on.
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09-03-2022, 08:26
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
Just been claimed on TV that some adult children in Ukraine have telephoned their parents in Russia to tell them what's going on and they don't believe them!
They must be so brainwashed that they believe Russian propaganda over their own offspring!!!
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Or maybe someone is listening in on the calls 
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09-03-2022, 09:39
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Or maybe someone is listening in on the calls |
I thought similar when they were interviewing Russians in Moscow on the BBC yesterday. No way anyone they interview is going to say 'I don't believe Putin'
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09-03-2022, 10:19
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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This will be quietly dropped as voters like cheaper petrol but don't like fracking happening in their back yard.
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09-03-2022, 10:41
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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This will be quietly dropped as voters like cheaper petrol but don't like fracking happening in their back yard.
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No it won't, Nigel is on the case.
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09-03-2022, 10:42
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
We just had an update from our management at work on the situation. Local staff in Ukraine have all been evacuated to neighbouring countries. The feedback from Russia based staff is that they are not happy in the slightest with Russias' invasion of Ukraine (hooray for end to end encryption of calls allowing them to speak honestly!)
The company I work for sells products which are dual use technologies and they have been blocked form day one but now all products are blocked from shipment as a policy and also because Russian customers have very few ways to pay for these goods. There's also an information embargo so no support for existing products. Russia are essentially persona non grata
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09-03-2022, 10:52
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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No it won't, Nigel is on the case.
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He's a bit persona non-grata at the moment, so I wouldn't worry too much about him.
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09-03-2022, 10:54
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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He's a bit persona non-grata at the moment, so I wouldn't worry too much about him.
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That's what the EU supporters thought 
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09-03-2022, 11:21
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Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
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Originally Posted by Mr K
It's a vote loser, and that's what matters with Boris, so it won't happen. All very well fracking in the massive open spaces of the US, but it doesn't work on a crowded island. Then of course there's the environment which is still a bigger threat to everyone on the planet than even the current crisis. Time to turn the thermostat down and put a jumper on.
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And of course unless you're doing fracking as a state activity and restricting sales to the UK only, if it's done commercially there is no guarantee that it'll actually reduce retail prices anyway.
That's what the USA is finding at the moment - domestic oil companies are getting market value for what they're producing and are sending it out of the USA as part of that commercial activity, so it's not reducing their domestic market prices.
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