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papa smurf · 12-01-2022, 10:40

looks like kier starmer will be at PMQ'S to grill boris about the team meeting in the garden.

1andrew1 · 12-01-2022, 10:53

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

looks like kier starmer will be at PMQ'S to grill boris about the team meeting in the garden.

Best for Starmer to grill him about team meetings and not the parties. Johnson is Starmer's useful idiot, so he wants him in power as long as possible.

**Damien** · 12-01-2022, 10:54

Johnson is making a statement before the session so see what he says. Starmer is probably going to have different sets of questions depending on what that statement is.

1andrew1 · 12-01-2022, 11:15

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Originally Posted by Damien

Johnson is making a statement before the session so see what he says. Starmer is probably going to have different sets of questions depending on what that statement is.

Maybe some kind of apology for the party being allowed to take place under his watch and the enquiry will report back soon?

**Chris** · 12-01-2022, 11:24

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Best for Starmer to grill him about team meetings and not the parties. Johnson is Starmer's useful idiot, so he wants him in power as long as possible.

I think you’re crediting Starmer with a lot more strategic nous than he deserves. There’s no doubt his poll lead depends entirely on BoJo remaining in power, but the idea that he’s sufficiently in control of events to ‘use’ him is fanciful.

1andrew1 · 12-01-2022, 11:48

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I think you’re crediting Starmer with a lot more strategic nous than he deserves. There’s no doubt his poll lead depends entirely on BoJo remaining in power, but the idea that he’s sufficiently in control of events to ‘use’ him is fanciful.

I suspect Starmer would love to be the person who takes him down but he would also love to be strategic and keep him limping on.

But as much as he might love to be strategic, I doubt the Labour rank-and-file would tolerate him going easy on Johnson.

But if papa is right in his assertion that Starmer will instead be grilling him about team meetings, then it shows he's playing strategically. I don't know if papa is being sarcastic or not.

How Starmer fares in the polls against another Conservative leader presumably depends on how clean they come out of the 12 alleged rule-breaking events. (See 10.36am here.) If they'e strongly implicated then he should benefit.

**Damien** · 12-01-2022, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Chris

I think you’re crediting Starmer with a lot more strategic nous than he deserves. There’s no doubt his poll lead depends entirely on BoJo remaining in power, but the idea that he’s sufficiently in control of events to ‘use’ him is fanciful.

I think Starmer's strategy is pretty obvious. Detoxify the party from Corbyn and then seem like a safe and competent alternative to the Tories to capitalise on their mistakes.

You look at Labour's messaging from the summer and it clearly focused on two things with Johnson: 1) He isn't serious 2) he can't be trusted. Clearly, the right messaging for them.

It's a strategy based on the idea that oppositions don't win elections, Governments lose them. Might not be the smartest political plan even calculated but not stupid either.

GrimUpNorth · 12-01-2022, 12:09

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Maybe some kind of apology for the party being allowed to take place under his watch and the enquiry will report back soon?

What he says and when he says it will no doubt be influenced by if and when he manages to line up some rich supporter to pick up any fines that may be coming his way and to chip in towards the removal costs and the decoration of his new digs.

1andrew1 · 12-01-2022, 12:13

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What he says and when he says it will no doubt be influenced by if and when he manages to line up some rich supporter to pick up any fines that may be coming his way and to chip in towards the removal costs and the decoration of his new digs.

No sponsor has time for yesterday's man.

**Hugh** · 12-01-2022, 13:09

He attended it for 20/25* minutes, but didn’t realise it was a party?

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The prime minister says he went into the garden of Downing Street on 20 May 2020 to thank staff before going back into his office 20 minutes later.

He says in hindsight he should have sent everyone back inside.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

He’ll have difficulty using the "Captain Hindsight" jibe any more…

*he’s mentioned both

papa smurf · 12-01-2022, 13:15

The garden was an extension of the office space due to the requirement for ventilation, and all there were in a work bubble.

1andrew1 · 12-01-2022, 13:15

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He attended it for 20 minutes, but didn’t realise it was a party?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-5...ost_type=share

He’ll have difficulty using the "Captain Hindsight" jibe any more…

He probably won't need to if his Party secures his resignation.

Then kids in the future will see pictures of Johnson and ask "What is a BYOB party, daddy? It must be a bad thing."

**Hugh** · 12-01-2022, 13:17

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The garden was an extension of the office space due to the requirement for ventilation, and all there were in a work bubble.

Absolute rubbish - it was against the law for people to socialise.

papa smurf · 12-01-2022, 13:22

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Absolute rubbish - it was against the law for people to socialise.

A workplace meeting was within the rules.

**Damien** · 12-01-2022, 13:27

That was awful, he must be gone surely?

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I think the worst thing in all this is he let OLD_BOY down.