Britain outside the EU

The instincts of the Brexit Supporters who are now running the Government never seemed to be to curb immigration even if they used it in their campaign. Boris Johnson has rarely been against immigration and has spoken up for it in previous political lives, i.e Mayor of London.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

If people won’t do jobs for the wages offered then employers should increase wages. That’s supply and demand. The core of capitalism.

If the businesses no longer have a profitable model paying above poverty wages then they should go to the wall, and stop skewing the markets with their existence by offering goods/services at rates below what the market can bear.

Importing labour from the developing world undermines the high wage, high skill economy we have been promised.

My God, jfman - said like a true Brexiteer! I am happy to agree with you!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

The instincts of the Brexit Supporters who are now running the Government never seemed to be to curb immigration even if they used it in their campaign. Boris Johnson has rarely been against immigration and has spoken up for it in previous political lives, i.e Mayor of London.

It's an electoral dilemma. The instincts of the government are likely in favour of immigration but I suspect their seats (and MPs) in the Red Wall are not. It will also be interesting to see how Farage approaches this.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

My God, jfman - said like a true Brexiteer! I am happy to agree with you!

Phew!

[Carth]

Higher wages simply increases costs to the customer, no gain really apart from more tax paid.
£8 for a bread loaf, £6-50 for a bottle of milk, £3 for a bag of crisps, and £17 for a BLT might not be far away

Everyone seems happy to buy cheap tat from China though

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

My God, jfman - said like a true Brexiteer! I am happy to agree with you!

Well it’s only an economic theory unless you’ve a Government willing to deliver it.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

This is not going doing well with Mail online readers, judging by the comments.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-work-UK.html

Some of the more recent comments include:

Sounds like those people didn't know what they were voting for, still I'm sure they'll be delighted with the exchange of white Christian for darker Hindu neighbours

[Blackshep]

This government doesn't truly support Brexit beyond electioneering which is why they are screwing everything up.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Blackshep

This government doesn't truly support Brexit beyond electioneering which is why they are screwing everything up.

Main reason they're screwing things up is that they seem to have one rule for themselves and another for everyone else: VIP lane for mates' PPE and parties at Central Office and No. 10 whilst telling us no gatherings.

Most of the public are probably indifferent as to how well they're handling Brexit unless they're directly affected.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's an electoral dilemma. The instincts of the government are likely in favour of immigration but I suspect their seats (and MPs) in the Red Wall are not. It will also be interesting to see how Farage approaches this.

It's not a dilemma except in relation to how to deal with the UK's boat people.

It is a myth to say that the government is against immigration - it is not. It is against uncontrolled immigration - a little point of detail most people on the left of politics try to cover over.

There are some occupations where it is virtually impossible to recruit from within the UK. What the government is trying to encourage is ensuring that employers try harder to attract UK people by offering training and more money first. Only when all reasonable measures fail will the government allow recruitment from abroad.

It is cheap foreign labour that has had the impact of depressing wages and creating unemployment in this country.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

There are some occupations where it is virtually impossible to recruit from within the UK.

Then they should raise wages. There’s no lack of training or willpower that money can’t resolve.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Then they should raise wages. There’s no lack of training or willpower that money can’t resolve.

That’s the underlying Brexit premise.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That’s the underlying Brexit premise.

And this is the underlying Brexit reality.

Political uncertainty and Brexit will slow UK recovery in 2022, economists predict

Annual FT survey shows living standards will fall as inflation outpaces wages in year ahead

The UK will trail other developed countries in its economic recovery from the pandemic in 2022, with economists polled for a Financial Times survey predicting that it will be held back by political uncertainty and the lingering after-effects of Brexit.

Of almost 100 economists, a majority said that UK living standards would worsen in the year ahead, with poorer households hit hardest by soaring inflation and higher taxes...

But Paul Dales, chief UK economist at the consultancy Capital Economics, described robust growth as “a statistical mirage generated by the pandemic”. He and several others noted that the UK economy was rebounding faster because it had sunk into a deeper hole, with the level of GDP yet to recover its 2019 level.

With full customs controls coming into force in the UK in 2022, many said that Brexit would worsen pandemic-related trade frictions, with supply-chain blockages and labour shortages more persistent than in other countries, and inflationary pressures more pronounced.

https://www.ft.com/content/e8f45dc9-...2-48ebb623a5a6

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

And this is the underlying Brexit reality.


https://www.ft.com/content/e8f45dc9-...2-48ebb623a5a6

That’s not reality - it’s an economist’s prediction. There’s a significant difference.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

That’s not reality - it’s an economist’s prediction. There’s a significant difference.

The reality is that it's an opinion from a survey of nearly 100 economists drawn from a wide range of organisations including PwC, Chatham House and Royal London Asset Management.