Coronavirus

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

I'm pretty sure he just means schools are closing (anyway) for the christmas holidays.

yep, I jumped forward a bit there!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’ve got this one wrong before, as I’m sure you’ll remind me, but I can’t see them closing schools. As a school governor I know there are kids in Yr 1 and Yr 2 ( in my school, and ours is an ofsted “outstanding” school) still haven’t recovered from the last one.

As with everything, the situation would have to be dire to lockdown, I don’t think a lock down for a precautionary action would be supported.

I’m sure for the reasons you describe schools would be near last on any list, and that nobody would propose closing them for an extended period unless the situation got much, much worse.

[jfman]

The Premier League are proposing additional checks on unvaccinated players. Separate bubbles, meals, and entry to games.

Will be funny the first time an unvaccinated 11 has to play a game because of an outbreak among vaccinated players.

More posts removed, for the last time, this topic is about Coronavirus.
It is not an attack Boris topic, if thats all you can contribute to it, dont bother.
If people keep posting off topic, then posts are going to get removed, and topic bans used.

Originally Posted by jfman

The Premier League are proposing additional checks on unvaccinated players. Separate bubbles, meals, and entry to games..

Wales are banning all spectators from Boxing Day

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-59729129

Spectators will be banned from all sports events in Wales from 26 December to try to control the spread of the Omicron Covid variant.

They also want England to pay for their [other] measures ;

Nightclubs are set to close from 27 December, but Mark Drakeford was not able to say whether there would be government support to pay staff wages.

He repeated his call for the UK government to restart the furlough scheme, which cost almost £70bn.

But Welsh Tories called on ministers to fund it from Welsh government reserves.

[jfman]

In fairness I don’t think England have paid for the first one yet

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Paul

Wales are banning all spectators from Boxing Day

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-59729129



They also wants England to pay for their [other] measures ;

That wrecked my plans for football on 8 January

Why should central government pay for his overreaction?

[jonbxx]

I saw this Tweet yesterday showing CDC numbers for vaccine effectiveness in the US;

Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated: 134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k

Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k

Which looks pretty compelling. However, this is a Tweet so the author could say anything so I checked the CDC COVID website and wow, the vaccines work! Here's the link but there also lots of other goodies on that site for data lovers.

Of course the COVID death rates look like they follow the '28 days from a COVID diagnosis' but you can click on 'Age Group' and see clear differences in vaccinated and unvaccinated elderly people. If the vaccine did not protect directly, there must be some some other protection from the vaccine other than stopping COVID.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Paul

Wales are banning all spectators from Boxing Day

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-59729129



They also wants England to pay for their [other] measures ;

Those vaccine passports are working well.

Originally Posted by jonbxx

I saw this Tweet yesterday showing CDC numbers for vaccine effectiveness in the US;

Unvaccinated: 451 cases per 100k
Vaccinated: 134 cases per 100k
Boosted: 48 cases per 100k

Unvaccinated: 6.1 deaths per 100k
Vaccinated: 0.5 deaths per 100k
Boosted: 0.1 deaths per 100k

Which looks pretty compelling. However, this is a Tweet so the author could say anything so I checked the CDC COVID website and wow, the vaccines work! Here's the link but there also lots of other goodies on that site for data lovers.

Of course the COVID death rates look like they follow the '28 days from a COVID diagnosis' but you can click on 'Age Group' and see clear differences in vaccinated and unvaccinated elderly people. If the vaccine did not protect directly, there must be some some other protection from the vaccine other than stopping COVID.

Stop it with the science. You’re ruining jfman’s lunch.

[pip08456]

Rishi Sunak announces new support for businesses.

New grants for hospitality & leisure sectors - up to £6,000 per business premises.

Adding £30m to the Culture Recovery Fund to support culture.

Reintroducing our Statutory Sick Pay Rebate Scheme.

Hogmanay events cancelled as Covid rules tightened

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-59745262

Edinburgh's Hogmanay street party has been cancelled and football matches will be effectively spectator-free as part of tough new Covid rules in Scotland.

All outdoor events will be limited to just 500 people to help slow the spread of Omicron.

Indoor events such as concerts will be limited to 200 people if they are seated, or 100 for standing.

The new restrictions come into force on Boxing Day.

They will be in place for at least three weeks - although there will be no limit to how many people can meet up at Christmas.

However, pubs and other hospitality venues selling alcohol will need to reintroduce table service from 27 December for at least three weeks.

Physical distancing of 1m will need to be in place for all events that go ahead under the new restrictions.

And indoor hospitality and leisure venues will be required to ensure there is a 1m distance between groups of people who are attending together.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

Stop it with the science. You’re ruining jfman’s lunch.

Not sure why it’d ruin my lunch. It says what I’ve said all along that variants chip away at efficacy against infection, and it’s been demonstrated the world over that efficacy wanes over time. So now we need three doses of Pfizer to get to where we used to get with two.

Presumably Delta is still the variant causing most cases in the US.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/1...s-biontech-ceo

As long as vaccinated people can catch and transmit the virus that has implications in terms of pandemic management and exceeding hospital capacity.

[pip08456]

Also, the CDC withdraws support of the PCR test for Covid detection.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will no longer recognize PCR tests as valid methods of diagnosing COVID-19 by the end of this year. The CDC announced in a lab alert on its website that it will be withdrawing its standing request to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to grant emergency use authorization for PCR tests to be used to detect SARS-CoV-2. The request, which was issued in February 2020, will be withdrawn on December 31, 2021, a move which signals that the CDC no longer approves of the use of PCR tests as valid diagnostic methods for COVID-19.

https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org...for-pcr-tests/

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Also, the CDC withdraws support of the PCR test for Covid detection.



https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org...for-pcr-tests/

Or, to probably word it better, the CDC has asked for its' own RT-PCR test to no longer have an FDA Emergency Use Authorisation as there are plenty of commercial tests now on the market. The CDC isn't in the business of making diagnostic tests if commercial tests are available and there are lots

That site is all kinds of woo. Some heavy Tea Party and anti-vax stuff in there!