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Mad Max · 10-12-2021, 20:29

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This is either a joke or you're manna from heaven for them, they spend years telling lies and are currently being dragged over coals daily for it and the best you can come up with is to call the opposition that, beyond childish, they're laughing at you and everyone like you

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Suckers, fancy following the rules like that, sheeple

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I will vote as god help us if Liebour gets in, as they would immediately rejoin the EU and surrender Stirling

You must have gone back a while to find that post.

TheDaddy · 10-12-2021, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

You must have gone back a while to find that post.

1andrew1 · 10-12-2021, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

You must have gone back a while to find that post.

Bizarrely not.

Mad Max · 10-12-2021, 22:05

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Bizarrely not.

Really, Andrew, I thought I saw that posted quite a while ago, oh well, must be an age thing.

**Paul** · 10-12-2021, 22:08

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

These people seem to be also think it's worth their concern and they're not media as far as I'm aware but relatives of those lost during the pandemic

A protest group on twitter, who would have thought it (you do remember its social media ?).
(Its a generic covid protest group btw, not specific to this particular event).

I dont really know what you point is tbh, other than perhaps trying to look virtuous ?

As I clearly stated originally ;

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I suspect a large percentage of the public will not really care.

Nothing you have posted changes that, since by definition it implies a percentage will care.
I dont doubt some people are genuinely annoyed, but I dont for one minute believe the media driven dramatic phrases that are thrown about.

Nothing has changed, it still had zero effect on me (No one has given an example of how it directly affected their life).
As sad as those stories may be, the fact is they would all have happened, exactly the same, regardless of the "party" [or none party] happening.

BenMcr · 10-12-2021, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Paul

A protest group on twitter, who would have thought it (you do remember its social media ?).

I dont really know what you point is tbh, other than perhaps trying to look virtuous ?

My point is that people do care about it and are not driven by 'media hype'.

And yes they're a protest group - for those that have lost loved ones in last few years. Why is that a bad thing? Protest is a powerful right in this country and should be encouraged. Our current government sees it as something to be suppressed and criminalised.

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As I clearly stated originally ;
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I suspect a large percentage of the public will not really care.
Nothing you have posted changes that, since by definition it implies a percentage will care.
I dont doubt some people are genuinely annoyed, but I dont for one minute believe the media driven dramatic phrases that are thrown about.

And my opinion is that I suspect more people care about it that your opinion states.

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Nothing has changed, it still had zero effect on me (No one has given an example of how it directly affected their life).
As sad as those stories may be, the fact is they would all have happened, exactly the same, regardless of the "party" [or none party] happening.

The 'parties' themselves may not have a direct effect on people's lives, but the pattern and attitude of those involved certainly will.

Those we elect to govern us should hold themselves to the highest standards possible.

The fact that apparently a percentage of the country think behaviour of our elected officials doesn't matter, and that as long as 'I'm alright and not directly affected and I'm getting something out of them' means that we shouldn't care about what happens to others and how actions impact them saddens me to where we are going as a country and as a world.

**Paul** · 10-12-2021, 22:44

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My point is that people do care about it and are not driven by 'media hype'.

I think you mean 'some people'.

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Why is that a bad thing? Protest is a powerful right in this country and should be encouraged.

I made no mention of it being a bad thing, you just invented that.
Encouraged ? Well that really depends on what, and how.

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And my opinion is that I suspect more people care about it that your opinion states.

Well you could have just said that in the first place instead of all the virtue signalling.

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The fact that apparently a percentage of the country think behaviour of our elected officials doesn't matter, and that as long as 'I'm alright and not directly affected and I'm getting something out of them' means that we shouldn't care about what happens to others and how actions impact them saddens me

Welcome to real life.

Pierre · 10-12-2021, 23:09

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My point is that people do care about it and are not driven by 'media hype'

I don’t.

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And yes they're a protest group - for those that have lost loved ones in last few years. Why is that a bad thing? Protest is a powerful right in this country and should be encouraged. Our current government sees it as something to be suppressed and criminalised.

lots of people have lost lots of loved ones. I don’t really understand why the population currently lay more value at COVID deaths above other causes of death, when COVID deaths (and there’s debate over Which ones apply) are still very low

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And my opinion is that I suspect more people care about it that your opinion states.

well you may suspect wrongly.

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The fact that apparently a percentage of the country think behaviour of our elected officials doesn't matter, and that as long as 'I'm alright and not directly affected and I'm getting something out of them' means that we shouldn't care about what happens to others and how actions impact them saddens me to where we are going as a country and as a world.

Well, I agree, but the result is that you’re just saddened.

BenMcr · 10-12-2021, 23:48

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lots of people have lost lots of loved ones. I don’t really understand why the population currently lay more value at COVID deaths above other causes of death, when COVID deaths (and there’s debate over Which ones apply) are still very low

There is a whole thread to discuss that which is currently on version 2, but it's possible to hold an opinion about multiple issues at the same time, so personally I'm as upset about avoidable deaths due to Covid-19 as I am about many other situations which result in avoidable deaths.

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well you may suspect wrongly.

Yes, that's why its an opinion.

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Well, I agree, but the result is that you’re just saddened.

Quite possibly, but I don't have to accept that it's an unavoidable situation

ianch99 · 11-12-2021, 00:28

Polling shows a lot of people care:

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-...ctobers-budget

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68% say they care “a great deal” or “a fair amount” as to “whether or not Downing Street staff held some form of Christmas party or gathering in December last year that broke COVID restrictions”

Carth · 11-12-2021, 00:44

"Technical note

Ipsos MORI interviewed a representative sample of 1,009 Britons aged 16-75. Interviews were conducted online between 8-9 December 2021. Data are weighted to match the profile of the population. All polls are subject to a wide range of potential sources of error."

Typical poll really, nothing to get exited about, just ask the right question then adapt it to suit.

Did they also do the Brexit poll too?

Mad Max · 11-12-2021, 01:45

Of course, there are also lots of people dying of cancer, who cannot be admitted to the hospital because some people are in hospital with Covid and apparently they haven't been vaccinated.

Carth · 11-12-2021, 01:50

I genuinely believe that a fair few people in hospital 'with' Covid didn't have it before being admitted.

Leading to someone in hospital for a hernia operation suddenly getting added to the 'in hospital with Covid' stats that are thrown about

. . . to paraphrase someone "it's the way they tell em"

Pierre · 11-12-2021, 09:43

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Of course, there are also lots of people dying of cancer, who cannot be admitted to the hospital because some people are in hospital with Covid and apparently they haven't been vaccinated.

Well if you believe that, then you’ll believe any dross they trot out.

**Maggy** · 11-12-2021, 10:02

You all do know it's a case of move along there,nothing to see here or look at the nice shiny thing over there but not here.

Either you are duped or are making a mountain out of a molehill depending on your viewpoint or political stance.

All I know is I really don't want a government the world is unable to take seriously.